HUGE DOJ overstep, need advice for a customer

[gdict]

They don't see the comments field. Which is why they call me every time I sell a gun to an H1B non-resident alien with a hunting license. I put the info in the comments, yet every time, they still call to enforce federal law...

[kemasa]

Yeah, that is a bit funny, you can put in comments, but they can't see them, so what is the point? Well, it does document it on your copy of the DROS, so that is good.

[scout II]

Based on the actual CA PC, a person who has a C&R FFL and COE is exempt from the 1 in 30 even for modern firearms. I have heard in the past that the DOJ has backed down when they call asking the FFL if it ok to cancel the DROS. They play word games and if there is no objection they get away with it.

Has any FFL dealers in the past few months or so gotten a 1 in 30 purchase pushed through? I have my C&R FFL and COE and my local FFL dealer used to let me DROS two or more guns in the same month. But DOJ told him it is a no go and he does not do that any longer. I am just curious if anyone still does this?

[Ford8N]

Has any FFL dealers in the past few months or so gotten a 1 in 30 purchase pushed through? I have my C&R FFL and COE and my local FFL dealer used to let me DROS two or more guns in the same month. But DOJ told him it is a no go and he does not do that any longer. I am just curious if anyone still does this?

Yes.

You need to do the right input on the computer. One misstep and it tells you no go.

[Burbur]

Has any FFL dealers in the past few months or so gotten a 1 in 30 purchase pushed through? I have my C&R FFL and COE and my local FFL dealer used to let me DROS two or more guns in the same month. But DOJ told him it is a no go and he does not do that any longer. I am just curious if anyone still does this?

In your case, we have been notified that the 30 day restriction exemption is ONLY for C&R handguns, we are no longer allowed to apply this to modern handguns for a 03COE.

Now if for 1 C&R, 1 modern, I can run the non-exempt pistol first, normal; then the exempt transaction with the 30 day restriction exemption set to "yes". After either, there is a 30 day elimination period before the new modern handgun can be DROS'd.

We understand this is not law, but "Rule Making" by your moral superiors.

[Blade Gunner]

Do not attribute to incompetence that which can by conspiracy.

[acespawnshop]

UPDATE: DOJ compliance called us back yesterday. She did inform us that the DES was incorrect in denying this sale to our customer. We have requested a refund for the customer and she has told us that she will be making a report on this issue, we gave her the DROS numbers for all 3 transactions (the C&R, the Modern and the subsequent re-DROS on the modern after the 30 day wait)

We are unsure if we will be getting that refund to pass along to our customer and probably will not know for some time. She indicated that there is a possibility of DOJ sending out a bulletin to all FFL's regarding this issue and apologized for the mistake.

I'll update as we know more about what happens.

[ugimports]

What? They actually admit to a mistake?

[acespawnshop]

Just had this happen again had a different person who has a C&R and COE do a DROS on a modern pistol and get rejected again. This time he got the modern from me and did 2 DROS on the C&R stuff elsewhere. BS

[OniKoroshi]

Just had this happen again had a different person who has a C&R and COE do a DROS on a modern pistol and get rejected again. This time he got the modern from me and did 2 DROS on the C&R stuff elsewhere. BS

If they bought the C&R's first, that is why they got denied. Once the "1/30" resets, the first purchase (modern or C&R) is regarded as a new DROS. It's the subsequent C&R ones the don't affect the 1/30.

[M1NM]

if an attorney is willing to take up this case I have no issue being named as a plaintiff in the case also.

Another reason I ALWAYS use Aces. Stand up guys willing to go to bat for their customers.

[Junkie]

Just had this happen again had a different person who has a C&R and COE do a DROS on a modern pistol and get rejected again. This time he got the modern from me and did 2 DROS on the C&R stuff elsewhere. BS

Wow, and this was with the modern gun first, followed by the exempt guns?

The FFL I use (Farwest Photography) said he's heard of problems with a dealer transfer after a PPT even (I was doing both at the same time and he wanted to make sure the dealer transfer was first).

[acespawnshop]

I know the customer is cool with me sharing a little of his info so I will give some more backstory on customer 2. His dad was in town a few months ago and brought him 3 pistols. Dad lives out of state so they couldn't just do the interfamily form. Customer has been DROSing 1 every 31 days and this was the last pistol from his dad's gift. He had told me on the phone yesterday he did buy 2 C&R pistols on November 2nd from another dealer, used his license and COE and the DROS's were marked 1-30 exempt and waiting period exemption was used and he took possession that same day.

Yes he DROS'ed his modern pistol (gift 3 from dad) around Monday and Wednesday we got the 1 in 30 rejection. I know this is why he was rejected, but this shouldn't be the case. And as stated at the start of this thread I will be willing to provide any details to an attorney who is willing to take up the case on behalf of the buyers, so long as the buyers don't mind me sharing that information with an attorney.

We had spoken with DOJ about Customer 1 when this happened to him a while ago and the did tell us, that there shouldn't have been a 1 in 30 violation but that's just how their system works and there's nothing they are willing to change about it at this point.

[acespawnshop]

Another reason I ALWAYS use Aces. Stand up guys willing to go to bat for their customers.

Thanks!

Yes, we feel like we're out money here in this case in regards to employee time. Also we have had to store a firearm longer than required under the law and that takes room in our safe plus insurance costs. In both cases we never charged our customers any additional fees when we had to Re-DROS their guns since we feel there was no mistake made on the part of the purchaser. They are following the law and being punished by the DOJ by having to wait longer than necessary for their firearms and having to pay an additional DROS fee.
We did have them pay this part only not our additional $25 transfer fee. Store policy here is if you do an interstate transfer and do not deliver the firearm within the 30 day period and we have to re-DROS we charge our $25 fee again plus the DROS fee. Not trying to be mean but we just can't work twice for free and our fee is already super low anyhow (insert shameless advertising plug below).