DOJ Bulletin

[ugimports]

Looks like thumb prints are required on Delivered documents now and they don't care whether or not it's on pending:

[send it_hit]

Just read this over myself. We've been collecting thumbprint on both pending and delivered, so not much will change for us there... However the part about mistakes on personal information raises questions.

We don't have readers to swipe ID's/DL's. Errors in spelling, number juxtaposition etc. have not triggered delays/rejects in the past. Conversations w/ DOJ via phone have amounted to, "Don't worry about it, we just go off the CADL number, just write it in." Seeing as written-in corrections are not acceptable on the physical copy anymore, how will they validate/enforce the veracity of the entered information? Will a discrepancy between DMV records and entered DROS information trigger delays? If not, I'm unsure how they plan to enforce this.

[BagelBites]

Just read this over myself. We've been collecting thumbprint on both pending and delivered, so not much will change for us there... However the part about mistakes on personal information raises questions.

We don't have readers to swipe ID's/DL's. Errors in spelling, number juxtaposition etc. have not triggered delays/rejects in the past. Conversations w/ DOJ via phone have amounted to, "Don't worry about it, we just go off the CADL number, just write it in." Seeing as written-in corrections are not acceptable on the physical copy anymore, how will they validate/enforce the veracity of the entered information? Will a discrepancy between DMV records and entered DROS information trigger delays? If not, I'm unsure how they plan to enforce this.

I believe you are required to use a reader:

PC 28180 (a) The purchaser's name, date of birth, and driver's license or identification number shall be obtained electronically from the magnetic strip on the purchaser s driver s license or identification and shall not be supplied by any other means, except as authorized by the department.

(b) The requirement of subdivision (a) shall not apply in either of the following cases:

(1) The purchaser s identification consists of a military identification card.

(2) Due to technical limitations, the magnetic strip reader is unable to obtain the required information from the purchaser s identification. In those circumstances, the firearms dealer shall obtain a photocopy of the identification as proof of compliance.

(c) In the event that the dealer has reported to the department that the dealer s equipment has failed, information pursuant to this section shall be obtained by an alternative method to be determined by the department.


DOJ already has a system in place that cross-references personal information submitted through DES with the DMV database. Currently, if something doesn't match up, DOJ will make the correction without delay in the DROS. Looks like this might change?

[Sportsmans_Arms_Gabe]

I am just so sick of being needled to death by this state. The whole having to cancel and re-dros if someone's street name is not spelled correctly or some other slight mistake at the cost of the dealer is just insane. I will guarantee this was someone's genius idea to make even more money off of us.

[ugimports]

I would be less annoyed if they didn't charge us for cancels...

[Sportsmans_Arms_Gabe]

I would be less annoyed if we could run a legal business in California without constantly being in fear of breaking some convoluted law and/or being threatened with a stream of more head scratching laws to come.

[kemasa]

I suspect that they don't get one of the major reasons for getting the thumbprint, which is needed to be on the pending DROS, which is for prohibited people. How do you prove who it was without a thumbprint? The reason I heard that the thumbprint was added was so that they could convict a prohibited person since otherwise the person could say it was not them and it would be hard to prove it was.

We don't have readers to swipe ID's/DL's.

That is a problem since it means that you are violating the law.

I believe you are required to use a reader:

That is true. The joke is that if you were to start the DROS at a gun show where you did not have a reader, you have swipe the ID at the pickup. No, it does not make sense.

[taperxz]

I suspect that they don't get one of the major reasons for getting the thumbprint, which is needed to be on the pending DROS, which is for prohibited people. How do you prove who it was without a thumbprint? The reason I heard that the thumbprint was added was so that they could convict a prohibited person since otherwise the person could say it was not them and it would be hard to prove it was.



That is a problem since it means that you are violating the law.



That is true. The joke is that if you were to start the DROS at a gun show where you did not have a reader, you have swipe the ID at the pickup. No, it does not make sense.

The joke is, how does one take a manual DROS sheet and submit it legally? It's DOJs own form to use when the DES system is down and not available

[kemasa]

The joke is, how does one take a manual DROS sheet and submit it legally? It's DOJs own form to use when the DES system is down and not available

You can swipe it when they pickup the firearm and store the output into a file. No, I am not kidding. You have to at least try.

[taperxz]

You can swipe it when they pickup the firearm and store the output into a file. No, I am not kidding. You have to at least try.

I follow you. How do they know? Yes we keep copies. Fair to say 15 percent of the stripes don't work anyway.

[taperxz]

Our scanner actually reads the spaghetti code on the license with all the purchasers information for our A&D book

[kemasa]

I follow you. How do they know? Yes we keep copies. Fair to say 15 percent of the stripes don't work anyway.

It is not about what you can get away with.

I doubt that they would know, unless they did a sting operation because they did not like you. I don't think that there is anything to say that it was from the reader or typed in.

Yeah, new licenses tend to fail at a greater rate than the old licenses did.

[Baboosh]

This part SUCKS

Should the purchaser/seller personal information not be properly obtained at the time of
DROS submission (incorrect address, name spelled incorrectly, first/last name reversed,
incorrect date of birth, etc.) the corresponding DROS transaction must be cancelled and an
additional DROS transaction with subsequent waiting period must be submitted for an
additional fee.

[taperxz]

It is not about what you can get away with.

I doubt that they would know, unless they did a sting operation because they did not like you. I don't think that there is anything to say that it was from the reader or typed in.

Yeah, new licenses tend to fail at a greater rate than the old licenses did.

Get away with? Wasn't my point. They appear to allow for a keyed entry when the stripe doesn't work.

They don't seem to be concerned with residence either. It's license number, Date of birth and name. Probably expiration too but that will raise a DMV reject anyway if the license isn't current. Height, weight and possibly sex may very

If I swipe in front of a doj agent but the stripe doesn't work, I'm in compliance.

Am I misreading this? Just asking.

[taperxz]

This part SUCKS

I'm assuming the address correction would be swiping the license without updating the current address properly. Now an expensive mistake.