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Shipping C&R Guns to CA now?
Can someone advise me on C&R purchases from FFL to CA C&R holders now? I was told we can no longer ship directly to the C&R holder...must ship to another FFL. Maybe advise or a link to the new law? Appreciate any assistance. Thanks, Geri
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Shipping C&R Guns to CA now?
C&R Handguns have to go to aFFL. As far as I know C&R long gun can go to the buyer if they have C&R FFL and a COE (certificate of eligibility).
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It depends on who you ask. With the change to the law in which all long guns are done on a separate DROS so as to record the serial number, no longer can any C&R firearm go direct. If you ask the CA DOJ they will say that. There are some who have a warped view of the law and claim otherwise.Kemasa.
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There are several dealers that understand that law that ship C&R long guns directly to those who hold a 03FFL and COE. It is up to the buyer to enter it in their bound book and register the firearm with CA DOJ. 03FFls holding a COE are exempt from going through a dealer transfer for C&R long guns. I have not had any problems with CA DOJ processing the long guns that I have purchased.
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Ignoring the law about importing a C&R firearm into CA, oh, having it delivered to your door is claimed to be not importing. As I said ...Kemasa.
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(I was wrong, this was old stuff.)
C&R handgun must go through a CA FFL dealer.
C&R long gun can be shipped directly to a person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid CA DOJ Certificate Of Eligibility (COE). [PC 27966]
^They will need the FFL's info, in order to comply with CA laws requiring reporting of the acquisition. [PC 27966(f)]
Starting 01-01-2015, CA C&R FFLs can no longer have C&R long guns shipped directly to them and must have all C&R firearms shipped to a CA FFL dealer, who will then transfer the C&R firearm to them. Only exemption is when they physically obtain the C&R firearm while out-of-state and bring it back to CA.Last edited by Quiet; 02-09-2017, 12:53 AM.sigpic
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Shipping in a firearm is not a CA PPT, so that does not apply.ARTICLE 6. Exceptions to the Requirement of Using a Dealer for a Private Party Firearms Transaction [27850 - 27966]
( Article 6 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )
27966.
Commencing January 1, 2014, if all of the following requirements are satisfied, Section 27545 shall not apply to the sale, loan, or transfer of a firearm:
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CA PC 27585
CA PC 27565ARTICLE 1. Crimes Relating to Sale, Lease, or Transfer of Firearms [27500 - 27590]
( Article 1 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )
27585.
(a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless he or she first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the following:
(1) A licensed collector who is subject to and complies with Section 27565.
This means that a CA resident with a C&R FFL can acquire a C&R firearm from outside of CA and bring it in, but can NOT have any C&R firearm directly shipped to them without violating CA PC 27585.ARTICLE 1. Crimes Relating to Sale, Lease, or Transfer of Firearms [27500 - 27590]
( Article 1 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )
27565.
(a) This section applies in the following circumstances:
(1) A person is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(2) The licensed premises of that person are within this state.
(3) The licensed collector acquires, outside of this state, a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm.
(4) The licensed collector takes actual possession of that firearm outside of this state pursuant to the provisions of subsection (j) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code, as amended by Public Law 104-208, and transports the firearm into this state.
(5) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
(b) Within five days of transporting a firearm into this state under the circumstances described in subdivision (a), the licensed collector shall report the acquisition of that firearm to the department in a format prescribed by the department.
(Amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 745, Sec. 28. Effective January 1, 2012.)Last edited by kemasa; 02-08-2017, 3:15 PM.Kemasa.
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Kemasa.
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.A licensed collector who is subject to and complies with Section 27565.
So which licensed collectors are "subject to" section 27565?
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Your question does not make sense and I know you are playing games, but 27565 is listed above and has several requirements, the main one is that the possession is take while the C&R FFL holder is out of state.
You really try to ignore 27585 since that creates a problem for you. In order for 27585 to not apply, the C&R FFL has to completely follow 27565, which does not allow for shipping into CA.Kemasa.
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(I was wrong, this is old stuff)
PC 27545 applies to any transfer not done by a CA FFL dealer.
An out-of-state FFL, is not a CA FFL dealer.
Therefore, PC 27545 applies.
PC 27545 requires the transfer to be done through a CA FFL dealer.
PC 27966 is a conditional (person acquiring has C&R FFL & COE and is acquiring a C&R long gun) exemption for using a CA FFL dealer.
PC 27565 is a requirement for CA C&R FFL to report firearms they acquire while physically out-of-state.Last edited by Quiet; 02-09-2017, 12:53 AM.sigpic
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No, you are wrong. I keep telling you, but it seems you are blind.
27545 is for PPTs.
27585 is NOT for reporting C&R firearms that they acquire out of state, it limits firearms from coming in from out of state without going through a dealer. 27565 allows a C&R FFL to acquire a C&R firearm while out of state, being exempt from 27585, but only if all the conditions apply.
I don't know why you think that you can just ignore CA PC sections that you don't like.Last edited by Quiet; 02-09-2017, 12:47 AM.Kemasa.
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I stand corrected.
I did not realize that PC 27585 affected C&R FFLs.
So, starting 01-01-2015, CA C&R FFLs can no longer have C&R long guns shipped directly to them and must have all C&R firearms shipped to a CA FFL dealer, who will then transfer the C&R firearm to them. Only exemption is when they physically obtain the C&R firearm while out-of-state and bring it back to CA.Last edited by Quiet; 02-09-2017, 12:53 AM.sigpic
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TLDR version:
Shipping of any C&R to a CA resident has to go to a 01
Private party transfers of C&R inside CA has to go through a 01
If a CA resident 03 holder is traveling out of state, they can buy C&Rs over the counter, then report when they get home.
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Correct.
I would have to check the CA PC to see, but there are some exceptions which might apply.Private party transfers of C&R inside CA has to go through a 01
Correct.If a CA resident 03 holder is traveling out of state, they can buy C&Rs over the counter, then report when they get home.
Right?Kemasa.
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