Supporting legal information regarding pinned muzzle devices - handguns

[CifaldiPrecision]

I've seen it here many times but can't seem to find anything that actually supports it as fact.

A pinned muzzle device is considered legally permanently attached. I need supporting legal information showing of some sort please.

The reason I'm asking is in regards to muzzle devices pinned to threaded barrels on actual handguns as they are popular for USPSA. Many of my customers are concerned their handgun will be effected by the new laws.


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[Tyke8319]

What sort of "muzzle devices" are you referring to and what "new law" makes reference to "pinned Muzzle devices"....none that I'm aware of.

[Tyke8319]

A pistol with a threaded barrel in not legal.
12276.1(a)(4)(A)
A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.

[Quiet]

I've seen it here many times but can't seem to find anything that actually supports it as fact.

A pinned muzzle device is considered legally permanently attached. I need supporting legal information showing of some sort please.

The reason I'm asking is in regards to muzzle devices pinned to threaded barrels on actual handguns as they are popular for USPSA. Many of my customers are concerned their handgun will be effected by the new laws.

Threaded barrel on a semi-auto pistol that accepts detachable magazines is not legal.

Permanently attaching a muzzle device to a threaded barrel, will make it so that it is no longer considered a threaded barrel.
^So sayeth the BATFE for imported semi-auto centerfire rifles.
^So sayeth the CA DOJ for certain handguns listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale that have factory threaded barrels.
(Examples... GSG 922, GSG 1911, SIG 1911-22, Walther P22)

[CifaldiPrecision]

While we all know this to be true. I'm looking for legal supportive statements to support it. Pinning makes it permanently affixed.

As much as I'd like to take everyone's words for it (including my own) I'm looking for a reg or case law or something that states it.


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[Librarian]

A pistol with a threaded barrel in not legal.
12276.1(a)(4)(A)
A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.

Time to update your code references - the Dangerous Weapons Control laws were re-organized and re-numbered for 2012

New code for that section: PC 30515(a)(4)

[CifaldiPrecision]

Time to update your code references - the Dangerous Weapons Control laws were re-organized and re-numbered for 2012



New code for that section: PC 30515(a)(4)

Anything in that library that you have librarian showing a pinned muzzle device constitutes permanently affixed and no longer falls under the code above?


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[Librarian]

Anything in that library that you have librarian showing a pinned muzzle device constitutes permanently affixed and no longer falls under the code above?

Nothing explicit - I think the best we're going to find is what Quiet mentioned as the 'solution' to the Walther P22 'problem', and I don't know how CA-DOJ announced that.

[CifaldiPrecision]

Nothing explicit - I think the best we're going to find is what Quiet mentioned as the 'solution' to the Walther P22 'problem', and I don't know how CA-DOJ announced that.

Yeah I'm afraid so also. Thanks.


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[Tyke8319]

P.C. Section 30515...Definitions:
(d) "Barrel length".......or permanently attached muzzle device. Permanent methods of attachment include....blind pinning with the pin head welded over.

[PolishMike]

P.C. Section 30515...Definitions:
(d) "Barrel length".......or permanently attached muzzle device. Permanent methods of attachment include....blind pinning with the pin head welded over.

That is for barrel length measurement. That does not say that a pinned muzzle device is no longer on a threaded barrel, that just defines how to measure it.

I would argue that a muzzle device pin/welded or brazed on to a threaded barrel is no longer a threaded barrel but that is not explicitly stated anywhere in the law or regs.

[Tyke8319]

Guess you better have a Lawyer explain it to you...

It also regulates how the device is to be attached to be considered part of the over all barrel length. Whether you thread the device on the muzzle or slid the device on the muzzle, what difference does it make if it's "permanently" attached as the section requires, to make the device legal and/or barrel legal? And who is ever going to know what method was used; much why would they want to know?
Once the device is "permanently attached" you no longer have a "threaded" barrel!

[PolishMike]

Guess you better have a Lawyer explain it to you...

It also regulates how the device is to be attached to be considered part of the over all barrel length. Whether you thread the device on the muzzle or slid the device on the muzzle, what difference does it make if it's "permanently" attached as the section requires, to make the device legal and/or barrel legal? And who is ever going to know what method was used; much why would they want to know?
Once the device is "permanently attached" you no longer have a "threaded" barrel!

Again, I don't disagree with you. The OP is looking for somewhere that the law explicitly states that a threaded barrel with something permanently attached to it is not a threaded barrel legally. That does not exist in the law.