Have question about the "action open" BB's

[Tyke8319]

Somehow I feel real stupid asking this question so I'm going to fall back on the adage: the only stupid question is the one not asked!!

If a 'disassembled action type BB' is installed prior to the evil date, are the standard configuration AR 15's still considered an AW and therefore still subject to registration?

Or, do the "features" still have to be removed even though the mag. can't be removed w/o the action being "disassembled"?

[Tyke8319]

Have question about the "action open" BB's

Have question about the "action open" BB's

Somehow I feel real stupid asking this question so I'm going to fall back on the adage: the only stupid question is the one not asked!!

If a 'disassembled action type BB' is installed prior to the evil date, are the standard configuration AR 15's still considered an AW and therefore still subject to registration?

Or, do the "features" still have to be removed even though the mag. can't be removed w/o the action being "disassembled"?
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[ugimports]

This confuses me:

If a 'disassembled action type BB' is installed prior to the evil date, are the standard configuration AR 15's still considered an AW and therefore still subject to registration?

Are you asking if a Featured AR15 has the "NEW" BB is it subject to registration? I don't believe so, since it no longer has a "detachable magazine".

[Tyke8319]

Maybe I was not clear enough...Sorry about that.

There is on the market today a type of bullet button that does not release the magazine till the action of an AR15 type rifle is opened, I.E. "Prince", "ARmaglock", etc.
If an AR15 (TYPE) has that part installed is it still considered an A-salt weapon and thus registerable ?

[ASD1]

This confuses me:


Are you asking if a Featured AR15 has the "NEW" BB is it subject to registration? I don't believe so, since it no longer has a "detachable magazine".

it all depends on if "opening" the top of an AR is the same as "disassembling the action"

my $0.02 for what it worth. pushing the rear take down pin and opening the action is just that . you opened it.

With that said the device you are talking about may not be legal now (2016) because you do not need a "tool" to open an AR to push the mag lock

[ugimports]

it all depends on if "opening" the top of an AR is the same as "disassembling the action"

my $0.02 for what it worth. pushing the rear take down pin and opening the action is just that . you opened it.

i would agree with this too...

[Tyke8319]

The part(s) I'm referring to is being sold with the explanation that as of 2017 they are a legal substitute for the current BB and will meet CA requirements.
What I want to know is will a gun with that part installed still be registerable even though it has a protruding pistol grip and telescoping stock?

[ugimports]

The part(s) I'm referring to is being sold with the explanation that as of 2017 they are a legal substitute for the current BB and will meet CA requirements.
What I want to know is will a gun with that part installed still be registerable even though it has a protruding pistol grip and telescoping stock?

Registerable = DROS - yes
Registerable = AW - no

The pistol grip and telescoping stock don't matter since it doesn't have a detachable magazine. No different then the "standard BB" from all time < 1/1/2017. That is the IANAL assumption though.

[ASD1]

First IANAL

You should ask your ?? on their web site or face book page. An watch how fast it gets DELETED

You need to read the PC.

My .02 the part/ parts you talk about are not legal this year and will not be next year ether.

to use the part you talk of you open the action with out the use of a tool to release the mag (2000-2016 you need a tool) and you are NOT "disassembling the action" as stated in the law to remove the / a mag (2017 disassembling the action )

[ugimports]

First IANAL

You should ask your ?? on their web site or face book page. An watch how fast it gets DELETED

You need to read the PC.

My .02 the part/ parts you talk about are not legal this year and will not be next year ether.

to use the part you talk of you open the action with out the use of a tool to release the mag (2000-2016 you need a tool) and you are NOT "disassembling the action" as stated in the law to remove the / a mag (2017 disassembling the action )

This is the big "iffy"...nobody knows if pulling the take down pin = "disassembling the action". With the AR Mag Lock and Patriot Mag Release you are required to (if I remember video correctly) pull take down pin and rotate upper before being able to release mag.

[Tyke8319]

This is the big "iffy"...nobody knows if pulling the take down pin = "disassembling the action". With the AR Mag Lock and Patriot Mag Release you are required to (if I remember video correctly) pull take down pin and rotate upper before being able to release mag.

[ASD1]

its all a play on words. just like "flash hider" vs "Muzzle brake"

1 pin = Opening of action / As you have not removed any part/parts. Just like you open the action of a bolt gun or over & under rifle

Both pins = Disassembling of action as you have removed at least 1 part. in this case the upper

The / your focus need to be on the legal meaning of the word "disassemble"

[rbetts]

Deja vu and 2006 once again. . . . .

[Pred]

I'd argue that opening the rifle is disassembling it. With the pin open and the upper half way off the lower will the rifle fire? If not then it's been disassemble.
I'm well aware that we can understand this. But law makers wouldn't. So like everyone is saying it's a waiting game. But with this being the last month of the year I'd assume they would clarify things by now. How can we comply without the DOJ Explaining things

[ugimports]

its all a play on words. just like "flash hider" vs "Muzzle brake"

1 pin = Opening of action / As you have not removed any part/parts. Just like you open the action of a bolt gun or over & under rifle

Both pins = Disassembling of action as you have removed at least 1 part. in this case the upper

The / your focus need to be on the legal meaning of the word "disassemble"

I'm sure in a legislative cycle or two they'll redefine disassemble as they redefined detachable magazine and continually re-define AW... it'll never end