DMV now applying unpaid ticket file to deny DROS

[rbetts]

Short story- Excellent customer completes DROS and leaves shop. Has purchased and received several firearms from us over the last 2 years. 10 minutes after he leaves DOJ sends DMV Reject letter. We contact customer who of course knows nothing about the issue. He contacts DMV who tells him that 2 years before, he had a red light camera ticket that went un-addressed and that they denied his DROS due to the unpaid ticket. He then had to go to the local courthouse(Sacramento) to clear up the unpaid ticket. There he was told that the file is so old that they no longer have a video record of the ticket but that they could clear it if the fine was paid or he could fight it which would delay his gun purchase. He chose to pay now and deal with the fight later. Back to the DMV for resolution, there while sitting in the supervisors office he was told they weren't going to clear the ticket and his record unless he paid a $55.00 fee to the DMV to remove the "suspension". Extortion (of Course), So he pays the fine and now is in the clear.

So he asks why he was able to purchase firearms over the past 2 years with nothing about ever coming up from the DMV before. Seems that the DMV is now considers this a reason to suspend without notifying the driver and that the suspense is immediate. Anybody else run into the DMV now rejecting DROS for unpaid fines without adjudication first?????

[NytWolf]

"... shall not be infringed."

[smak28]

Wow! Another ridiculous plan....

[sealocan]

The second amendment affirms and confirms that you have inalienable rights.
That means these rights can never be taken away, given away or sold.

Is it possible to sue the DMV?

[pacrat]

Seems that the DMV is now considers this a reason to suspend without notifying the driver and that the suspense is immediate. Anybody else run into the DMV now rejecting DROS for unpaid fines without adjudication first?????

So much for that pesky wording in the 5th and 14th amendments. Known as the "Due Process" clauses.

More and more, the US Constitution mean less and less, in Crapofornia.

[Win231]

The second amendment affirms and confirms that you have inalienable rights.
That means these rights can never be taken away, given away or sold.

Is it possible to sue the DMV?

Sure. All he has to do is be foolish enough to spend an insane amount on attorney fees. He'll have no problem finding lawyers willing to "help" (soak) him. If he has a family, I wouldn't blame his wife for leaving him.

[HardwoodRods]

This has been going on for years. DMV in the ever increasing need for more money decides you never paid and suspends your license, of course it's never less than 2 years old so you surely don't have the records of where you did pay. The reason is revenue, not guns. You just find out about it because you tired to buy a gun. Easy fix, get a CA ID card, it is never suspended

[acespawnshop]

It has to do with the fact that their DL is invalid. Had they DROS'd using a CA ID it would have gone through fine.

[AAShooter]

This is the problem with crap. They start using systems like this to enforce things like payments for tickets, tax, child support, library fines, etc . . . I can see it now, with Newsom's ammo background checks . . . can't buy ammo if you have an unpaid ticket.

[acespawnshop]

Here is the issue, the reason that they were denied because they couldn't provide acceptable proof of identity. While they may retain a physical Driver License that does not show as expired, it is not valid due to the fact that the DMV suspended their license for an unpaid ticket. And Ill say it again, had this customer presented a CA ID instead of a DL this would not have happened. Its not the DMV infringing, its that for whatever reason that license was suspended and the purchaser did not bring acceptable proof of Identity.

[acespawnshop]

The second amendment affirms and confirms that you have inalienable rights.
That means these rights can never be taken away, given away or sold.

Yes, and driving a car isn't one of them, its a privilege.

So much for that pesky wording in the 5th and 14th amendments. Known as the "Due Process" clauses.

More and more, the US Constitution mean less and less, in Crapofornia.

Due process, you mean like when you agreed to the licensing requirements when you got your driver license? Rules like if you have unpaid tickets they will revoke your driving privilege

This is the problem with crap. They start using systems like this to enforce things like payments for tickets, tax, child support, library fines, etc

No, just a simple denial for not having acceptable proof of identity. You wouldn't be complaining about somebody producing an expired DL and not getting their firearm would you?

Anybody else run into the DMV now rejecting DROS for unpaid fines without adjudication first?????

To answer the OP's question, Yes, we have run into this before. I find it hard to believe that he was "never notified" that he had a ticket. I imagine that it was somehow mailed to his lasts known address. If he got it or not who would know.

[REH]

Just had this happen Wednesday. Denied because of unpaid traffic ticket. Paid the ticket, came back Friday DROS his rifle.

[ugimports]

I've seen it happen multiple times over the years. Could be that the status of that guys ticket finally triggered his DL suspension as AcePawnShop was mentioning.

[rbetts]

UPDATE: Customer moved during period that camera ticket was issued. It was not forwarded to him. $481 later, Judge dismissed failure to appear and sent customer to DMV for re-clearance. $55.00 later DMV cleared ticket and reinstated license. DMV stated that they do not issue warning letters or reminders prior to suspending license. No answer from the DMV on why he was able to transfer at least 5 firearms since that time without issue. . . . . .

and there you have it.

[Eddy's Shooting Sports]

All the background info on his ticket is moot in reference to buying a gun. DOJ only cares about valid ID. If DMV says his DL is invalid, DOJ will do a DMV reject. Anytime I have a customer with a DL issue, I always tell them to go get an ID card and they can sort out their DL issues at their leisure...