PPT DROS Delay help

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I learned this the hard way. I didn't even think of that "Delay" topic since I am clean and I never had any issue on DROS.

Most common question asked to us is "Do you release on undetermined"

This is a question all buyers should ask BEFORE DROSing a gun.

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Thank you very much. That's very helpful. I am at Sacramento area. Do you by chance know any FFL who has 30 days release policy?

I do not sorry.

I learned this the hard way. I didn't even think of that "Delay" topic since I am clean and I never had any issue on DROS.

I just had an undetermined on a full time paid peace officer for a very large agency. Just another reason to not pay attention to undetermined DROS's.

[Condorguns]

My memory was just jogged.
So the only time I had an undetermined on a PPT DOJ called me to give the NICS approval number for the seller like they do when a PPT is denied.

So your dealer will most likely return to the seller. Have seller meet you at a better shop and re PPT. Ask dealer for refund in fees since its there choice...not the law to refuse to transfer to you.

You should double check that letter DOJ sent you. Everyone I have received on a undetermined PPT was a NICS number releasing the buyer.....not the seller. Once you have the number you can release. They are slow with the letters but if you call you can get the number immediately. They are very fast and friendly on the phone.

[SkyHawk]

He need not deliver, if your contract for the FFL's services specified that the FFL need not deliver to an undetermined. The FFL's policy is not necessarily part of your contract and it is questionable whether or not one could insist on making it a part of the contract since and FFL is required to perform private party transfers.

And my retort would be, "we'll argue that in court. See you there, don't be late." FFLs choice: they either follow the law and deliver, make me whole, or we go to court. 1, 2, or 3. Choose one.

YMMV, I have a lot of time for this, others may not.

https://www.calffl.org/memos/memorandum-ca-firearms-dealers-undetermined-dros-transactions/

On behalf of CAL-FFL and our dealer members, firearms attorney Jason Davis of Mission Viejo, CA, has evaluated the issue and warns that firearm retailers should be mindful of the risks of improperly denying a firearm purchaser their property.

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You should double check that letter DOJ sent you. Everyone I have received on a undetermined PPT was a NICS number releasing the buyer.....not the seller. Once you have the number you can release. They are slow with the letters but if you call you can get the number immediately. They are very fast and friendly on the phone.

They called to give me the NICS number for the seller in case I was not planning on releasing on undetermined. The letter they mailed just have the NICS number for the buyer.

[Chewy65]

And my retort would be, "we'll argue that in court. See you there, don't be late." FFLs choice: they either follow the law and deliver, make me whole, or we go to court. 1, 2, or 3. Choose one.

YMMV, I have a lot of time for this, others may not.

https://www.calffl.org/memos/memoran...-transactions/

I read that or something much like it prepared for the a California FFL's Association. Bruse Weiss first posted it on Calguns.

They are saying pretty much what I am. The problem with so many dealers wrongfully denying buyers their purchases is that many are unaware of the law and/or do not have the time to go to court over what may be no more than a few hundred dollars. Even if they win the lose a days pay. This is the kind of thing that is ripe to be handled as a class action.

[I Swan]

The problem is most likely the gun, it could either be stolen or flagged when its serial number is used. The best thing to do is get the upper and any non lower parts so you dont lose your money. In this day and age, many guns are going to flood the market, and it would be wise to run the serial number first through a police station just to make sure your next weapon is not in a lost/stolen database.

How does one go about having the police run firearm serial numbers for them?

[Cokebottle]

Turned out my local FFL wont release firearm even after 30 days delay/ undetermined. When I asked dealer what's my option, dealer didn't give me clear answer.

There is a difference.

Delay is a hold by the DOJ... must not release.
Undetermined is legal to release, but some FFLs won't. Only recourse if they won't release on undetermined is for it to go back to the seller and you try a different FFL.

[spoon01]

There is a difference.

Delay is a hold by the DOJ... must not release.
Undetermined is legal to release, but some FFLs won't. Only recourse if they won't release on undetermined is for it to go back to the seller and you try a different FFL.

Bump. That's exactly what I did. I had to pay to DROS the sellers gun back to himself, and he has to wait 10 days to pick up his own damn gun. How dumb does that sound?

Thanks for the shenanigans Ammunition Supply Point, in Vacaville, CA.

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my local FFL at Sacramento is willing to return to seller directly if both seller and buyer are present. But he is unwilling to transfer to other FFL if undetermined. I totally understand how ridiculous it could become if you are "delayed"

Luckily, my case is a false alarm. My PPT DROS just got approved after delay.

Special thanks you all generous help and valuable advice.

[pacrat]

my local FFL at Sacramento is willing to return to seller directly if both seller and buyer are present. But he is unwilling to transfer to other FFL if undetermined. I totally understand how ridiculous it could become if you are "delayed"

Luckily, my case is a false alarm. My PPT DROS just got approved after delay.

Special thanks you all generous help and valuable advice.

Glad it worked out for you. Lots of that DOJ jerking buyers around with delays lately.

They "claim" they are shorthanded. But the supposedly self supporting DROS system. Was robbed of millions that was diverted by the AG Kamaltoe, to enforcement of APPS. Her pet project. The "shortage of manpower" was intentionally created to fit her agenda.

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[Slixxster]

my local FFL at Sacramento is willing to return to seller directly if both seller and buyer are present. But he is unwilling to transfer to other FFL if undetermined. I totally understand how ridiculous it could become if you are "delayed"

Luckily, my case is a false alarm. My PPT DROS just got approved after delay.

Special thanks you all generous help and valuable advice.

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Just curious how long was your wait?

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I got 8 days delay status before approval

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Just curious how long was your wait?

[Slixxster]

I got 8 days delay status before approval

I'm glad everything worked out for you. I'm guessing they didn't give you a reason?

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Nope

I'm glad everything worked out for you. I'm guessing they didn't give you a reason?