Second proof of residency discrepancy

[09cs]

My girlfriend went to pick up her new gun today and realized that her car registration is still under her moms name so couldn't pick it up. She has no bills (utility) in her name since she still lives at home.

One of the clerks said that a DMV print out will suffice since it's a government document, while another clerk is telling her no it won't suffice because it is not on the DOJ list.

So which one is right? Will a DMV print out work or is she better on getting a lease agreement drafted up and signed/notarized?

[painkiller]

I thought as long as it was from a government agency all was good?or did that law change too?

[ugimports]

My girlfriend went to pick up her new gun today and realized that her car registration is still under her moms name so couldn't pick it up. She has no bills (utility) in her name since she still lives at home.

One of the clerks said that a DMV print out will suffice since it's a government document, while another clerk is telling her no it won't suffice because it is not on the DOJ list.

What "DMV print out" are you referring to? If it's the Driving Info one it will not since it has no expiration date. If it's an updated registration with her name on it that will work. If it's some other doc, it'll depend what it is.

So which one is right? Will a DMV print out work or is she better on getting a lease agreement drafted up and signed/notarized?

Depends what print out is being referred to (see above). Lease agreement doesn't need to be notarized, but you should check on what the shop will accept. They may require the notarization.

[09cs]

What "DMV print out" are you referring to? If it's the Driving Info one it will not since it has no expiration date. If it's an updated registration with her name on it that will work. If it's some other doc, it'll depend what it is.


Depends what print out is being referred to (see above). Lease agreement doesn't need to be notarized, but you should check on what the shop will accept. They may require the notarization.

The shop said the agreement needed to be notarized, based on the DOJ website.

I'm not sure what print out the clerk was referring to, that is all he told her. But I think he's referring to the driving record one

[ElDub1950]

From all the similar threads, there's apparently a range of different 'rules' at different FFLs, the only sure way is to ask your LGS what they will and will not accept.

No need to go into what the legal requirement is (unless you just want to fight to be right). If you want to find out what you need to make your transaction easy, ask them.

[ugimports]

From all the similar threads, there's apparently a range of different 'rules' at different FFLs, the only sure way is to ask your LGS what they will and will not accept.

No need to go into what the legal requirement is (unless you just want to fight to be right). If you want to find out what you need to make your transaction easy, ask them.

Basically this, unfortunately.

[09cs]

From all the similar threads, there's apparently a range of different 'rules' at different FFLs, the only sure way is to ask your LGS what they will and will not accept.

No need to go into what the legal requirement is (unless you just want to fight to be right). If you want to find out what you need to make your transaction easy, ask them.

That's the problem, she asked the LGS where she's picking it up from, and one guy said yes and one guy said no (seems like they may not communicate well at that store )

[kemasa]

There is no secondary proof of residency, the problem is that for handguns CA does not accept a CA ID/DL as proof of residency.

The "notarized" lease is only mentioned in the FAQ, NOT the CA PC.

I don't believe that any document with respect to a CA ID/DL would work for the CA requirements for handguns due to the fact that they state that a CA ID/DL is not acceptable and the other paperwork is basically the same.

26845. (a) No handgun may be delivered unless the purchaser,
transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents documentation
indicating that the person is a California resident.
(b) Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from
within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed,
or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment
within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the
Department of Justice.
(c) The firearms dealer shall retain a photocopy of the
documentation as proof of compliance with this requirement.

BTW, it is NOT common at all to have a lease notarized. I checked with a couple of RE agents regarding that.

[wpage]

Voter registration card...

[kemasa]

The FAQ for the public does not mention notarized:

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs#3

3. What is the process for purchasing a firearm in California?

Generally, all firearms purchases and transfers, including private party transactions and sales at gun shows, must be made through a California licensed dealer under the Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) process. California law imposes a 10-day waiting period before a firearm can be released to a purchaser or transferee. A person must be at least 18 years of age to purchase a rifle or shotgun. To purchase a handgun, a person must be at least 21 years of age. As part of the DROS process, the purchaser must present "clear evidence of identity and age" which is defined as a valid, non-expired California Driver's License or Identification Card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). A military identification accompanied by permanent duty station orders indicating a posting in California is also acceptable.

If the purchaser is not a U.S. Citizen, then he or she is required to demonstrate that he or she is legally within the United States by providing the firearms dealer with documentation containing his/her Alien Registration Number or I-94 Number.

Purchasers of handguns must provide proof of California residency, such as a utility bill, residential lease

It is not mentioned as what is acceptable under the FAQ for dealers, but is only mentioned in the sections of the examples of what is acceptable, which does not mean that notarized is a requirement, just that if it is notarized that it would be acceptable:

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#13G

What documentation is acceptable proof of residency for handgun purchasers?

Utility bill from within the past three months that bears on its face the individual's name and either of the following:
The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
The individual's residential address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

"Utility bill" means a statement of charges for providing service to the individual's residence by either a physical connection (i.e., hard wired Internet, telephone connection or cable connection, or a water or gas pipeline connection) or a telemetric connection (i.e., satellite television or radio broadcast service) to a non-mobile, fixed antenna reception device.
Residential lease that bears the individual's name and either of the following:
The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
"Residential lease" means either of the following:
A signed and dated contract by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration for the right to occupy an abode for a specified period of time; or
A signed and dated rental agreement by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration at fixed intervals for the right to occupy an abode.
Property deed that bears the individual's name and either of the following:
The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
"Property deed" means either or the following:
A valid deed of trust for the individual's property of current residence that identifies the individual as a grantee of the trust; or
A valid Certificate of Title issued by a licensed title insurance company that identifies the individual as a title holder to his or her property of current residence.
Current, government-issued license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License, California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

Examples of acceptable proof of residency:
Current DMV registrations.
Electricity, gas, cable bill with purchaser's name on it from within the last 3 months.
Signed, dated and notarized rental agreement/contract.

Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:
Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).
Cellular phone bill.

[Burbur]

As to inconsistency between clerks, which one was "The Boss"?

In my store, I am endlessly correcting my employees.

[acespawnshop]

Kemasa I am a licensed real estate broker. I have NEVER seen a lease notarized. This is just something that we don't do.

[kemasa]

Kemasa I am a licensed real estate broker. I have NEVER seen a lease notarized. This is just something that we don't do.

Well, there is always a first time, such as when someone does it due to the CA DOJ web page. Yes, it is rare, almost a unicorn.

[packnrat]

today for a ppt to me.
my Ca issued "DL".
would not accept my utah ccw.
so showed them my reg bill and title from one of my motorcycles. was golden.

ID's one and two just needs to be a CA state issued paperwork showing your name and current address with a exp date. but one must be a photo ID.
and have the commie gun buyers card.
non governmental papers are null and void.

PSS: bring in info about your gun safe.
.

[kemasa]

There are CA requirements and Federal requirements. CA accepts non-government documents, such as a utility bill, but does not accept a CA ID/DL for proof of residency for a handgun. Feds accept a CA ID/DL, but if it does not have you current residence address, then some other government document is needed.