Off roster shipment within california

[opos]

I have a question for our FFL's. I contacted someone that has a double action revolver for sale in another part of California....it is not on the Roster. He indicated he would ship to my FFL if my FFL would receive a double action that had been modified to be a single action during the transaction and then changed back to a double action after the deal was completed.

I spoke with an FFL I've worked with before and he was not comfortable with that kind of transaction..he said he was unsure but it sounded too much like the out of state transactions folks used to do with semi's being "made into" single shot for the transfer and then changed back to a semi.

When I told the seller my FFL's comments he told me I was wrong and he has had it done on several occasions...I just wonder if anyone here would like to weigh in and give me an opinion? Thanks..

By the way...the deal probably would not have gone down any way because there would be shipping within California...then the FFL's fee for receiving a handgun..then conversion back to a double action and the DROS...Nice gun but probably would have ended up too costly...but it did spark the question about the ability to do the conversion and have it legal.

many thanks
opos

[faris1984]

NO shipping for off roster .

[kemasa]

As far as I know the single action conversion is legal, like the single shot used to be. It would have to meet size requirements.

[ripro75]

NO shipping for off roster .

Huh? Completely legal to ship off-roster to and within CA.

[ripro75]

As far as I know the single action conversion is legal, like the single shot used to be. It would have to meet size requirements.

Yep, single action exemption is still alive and well.

[rromeo]

Remember that the size requirements are 3" barrel and 7.5" overall. Unfortunately those snub model 64s that were available recently were no go.

[ke6guj]

Huh? Completely legal to ship off-roster to and within CA.

yes, off-roster cna be shipped within CA. but if it is shipped, it can't be PPT DROSed and needs to be done as a dealer DROS, and as such, the roster applies.

[kemasa]

Or the buyer is exempt from the roster, such as LEOs or it is an intrafamilial transfer.

[ripro75]

yes, off-roster cna be shipped within CA. but if it is shipped, it can't be PPT DROSed and needs to be done as a dealer DROS, and as such, the roster applies.

My "huh" reference was meant to say he was off base about it being illegal. It is perfectly legal with the added info you provided.

[opos]

Ok...now you got me confused...I'm the O/P....so if I read you correctly the off roster gun can only ship to another FFL (even if made into a single action) as an FFL transfer and cannot be done as a PPT to me though the receiving FFL..correct? If that is the case then what my FFL told me was correct and the deal would be questionable and he'd not take it as a shipped in from the seller in California and Dros it to me when it arrived....is that it?...and has nothing to do with inter family or LEO transfer.

[kemasa]

An off-roster firearm can ship to a FFL, the question is whether it can be transferred to the person.

If the firearm is exempt, such as single action of a given size, then it can be transferred.

[CSACANNONEER]

Ok...now you got me confused...I'm the O/P....so if I read you correctly the off roster gun can only ship to another FFL (even if made into a single action) as an FFL transfer and cannot be done as a PPT to me though the receiving FFL..correct? If that is the case then what my FFL told me was correct and the deal would be questionable and he'd not take it as a shipped in from the seller in California and Dros it to me when it arrived....is that it?...and has nothing to do with inter family or LEO transfer.

There is nothing "questionable" about an off roster SAE gun being transferred in CA. If it is shipped, it won't be a PPT so, the FFL can charge any amount for the transfer but, it's still exempt from the roster. It sure sounds like your FFL doesn't have a grasp on the law. I suggest finding a more knowledgeable FFL to do business with and let the FFL in question read and think about CA PC 32100 for a while.

[ripro75]

An off-roster firearm can ship to a FFL, the question is whether it can be transferred to the person.

If the firearm is exempt, such as single action of a given size, then it can be transferred.

^^^this.
The revolver does not have to be shipped to and FFL in single action as long as the dealer is knowledgeable, willing and can perform the single action conversion themselves. There are a handful of us that do it all the time. There are dealer that don't want to deal with it and that is their right to not have to, just find one that does.
Factory single action revolvers aren't on the roster anyway, they are by definition, exempt.

[opos]

^^^this.
The revolver does not have to be shipped to and FFL in single action as long as the dealer is knowledgeable, willing and can perform the single action conversion themselves. There are a handful of us that do it all the time. There are dealer that don't want to deal with it and that is their right to not have to, just find one that does.
Factory single action revolvers aren't on the roster anyway, they are by definition, exempt.

So I guess I'm missing why the receiving FFL would do a single action conversion? The point is to not have it be a single action for it's 'life"..just to get it shipped and transfered...I thought the double action gun off the roster would have to be altered to single action...shipped and the receiving FFL would then change it back to a double action...unless I mis read what you posted are you saying the gun can be shipped in it's original double action configuration, then when it is received the receiving FFL can do the conversion, dros it and then convert it back? Why even bother to convert it if it's just getting converted right back in the same transaction by the same FFL?

[opos]

There is nothing "questionable" about an off roster SAE gun being transferred in CA. If it is shipped, it won't be a PPT so, the FFL can charge any amount for the transfer but, it's still exempt from the roster. It sure sounds like your FFL doesn't have a grasp on the law. I suggest finding a more knowledgeable FFL to do business with and let the FFL in question read and think about CA PC 32100 for a while.

I understand about a SA being exempt..I've bought and had shipped in several single actions shipping within California...the issue with my FFL is that he is not comfortable about having the double action changed to a single action with the express purpose of avoiding a law...then after doing he paperwork changing the gun back to a double action...the whole situation is one designed to skirt the laws as written....he's not willing to do that..he's been the FFL that has brought in the single actions for me in the past but there was no alteration as part of the deal.

Correct me but the DROS and paperwork shows a model number and item name....example would be "RG31 (off register double action revolver) .say it is altered by the shipping FFL and then comes in as a modified single action..the paperwork will show it's a RG-31 (or does it show that it's a "converted" or "single action" RG-31) and then it get's altered back to it's original form? Does Sacramento not care that it was altered in order to side step the law?