Valid Military Retirement

[ugimports]

I have a customer coming in with their DD214 instead of a "retired" military ID. Which codes are valid for the FSC exemption from here: http://www.dd214.us/reference/SPN_Codes.pdf

There's a lot of references to "retired" are any of them valid?

Thanks,

[acespawnshop]

I had called a while back and spoke with somebody at the DOJ about DD214 as being an exemption and they launched into a whole thing about being "honorably retired" is not the same as "honorable discharged" and was told a DD214 is not acceptable for exemption. Until I hear other I have not been taking them as an exemption.

[ugimports]

I had spoken to some other vets that told me you can have a DD214 for honorably retired and not necessarily need a retired ID. Or are you saying that a reason such as:
77J - Voluntary retirement - placement on retired list at age 60.

While "retired" is different than "honorably retired", correct? I wasn't aware of the distinction, probably because I'm also not in the military.

According to this site: http://www.dd214.us/

The Defense Department issues to each veteran a DD-214, identifying the veteran's condition of discharge - honorable, general, other than honorable, dishonorable or bad conduct.

and

Why is a DD214 important?

The Report of Separation contains information normally needed to verify military service for benefits, retirement, employment, and membership in veterans' organizations. Information shown on the Report of Separation may include the service member's:

Although this info seems more clear: http://themilitarywallet.com/types-o...ry-discharges/

Which is in line with what you were saying... I might just stick to the ID since it is clear cut unless I find some overwhelming evidence of what a "honorably retired" DD214 would look like.

[Condorguns]

I do a lot of retired and active military. I have never had a person bring in a honorably retired DD214. I didn't even know it existed.

[Bobshouse]

If he is retired from the military, he will have a military ID stating so. Otherwise in my shop he will have to get the weapon safety certificate.

[ugimports]

I do a lot of retired and active military. I have never had a person bring in a honorably retired DD214. I didn't even know it existed.

I didn't know either, but I read somewhere (can't remember where) that a retiree can have a DD214 without the ID. Doesn't sound like anyone has ever seen that though. I think this guy might just be trying to pull a fast one to avoid the FSC.

[acespawnshop]

On the flip side of the coin. I have yet to see anybody bring me something that says "honorably retired" on it. I spoke with a few vets and discussed this also. From what I hear the honorably retired vets would be collecting a pension for their service and have some sort of documentation showing this and it should say "honorably retired"

Pulling a fast one? Maybe not, in my findings most vets don't differentiate between retired and discharged. Most correlate being discharged honorably as being "retired" from service.

[Sgt. J Beezy]

What about a 100% service connected disabled veteran that shares the same benefits of a retiree? Or how about someone who was medically retired from the military?

In either of these accounts the veteran should have the beneficial ID card that retired military veterans have.

[acespawnshop]

When I spoke with the DOJ about this last time they told me that whatever documentation we take as an exemption needs to have the phrase "honorably retired" on it. I have yet to see any benefits cards that have this wording on it.

[EOD Guy]

When I spoke with the DOJ about this last time they told me that whatever documentation we take as an exemption needs to have the phrase "honorably retired" on it. I have yet to see any benefits cards that have this wording on it.

That's true, since "Honorably Retired" is a phrase in California law that does not exist in the military. You are retired for length of service or for medical reasons. The discharge associated with retirement will usually be Honorable, but retirement is retirement.

[Endless]

When I spoke with the DOJ about this last time they told me that whatever documentation we take as an exemption needs to have the phrase "honorably retired" on it. I have yet to see any benefits cards that have this wording on it.

I retired with over 20 years of service and I have my military retirement ID card and my DD214 and it says honorably retired/discharged on it. So does that make me exempt from taking a FSC? I have dealt with weapons for 20 years. I have also never had to obtain one of these in any of the states I have owned and purchased weapons in.
Free states do require (more of the shop for liability purposes) a 30 minute training session before you can use the indoor ranges. You get ID cards for those but most military and police are waived. I took them anyway and breezed through them.

FBI and State Police checks take 10-20 mins max and you walk out with the weapon the same day. None of this BS of them waiting 30 days. Thats really bad practice and the fact is that FBI and State Police can and have for millions of folks cleared them in 20 mins.

For NFA items such as an SBR or silencer you can do the paperwork and wait your 60-90 days. BATF have said that if you can legally own a firearm then you will be approved for an SBR in your county as long as the Chief or head Sheriff sign off on it. Most tell them they are collectors and they approve them.

[allpoint]

Top left corner of DD-214 States "CAUTION: NOT TO BE USED FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES and further it doesn't actually state "Honorably Retired" it reads "Line 28 SUFFICIENT SERVICE FOR RETIREMENT" They should be able to present a DD Form 2 Retired ID Card.

[ugimports]

Just an update for new readers. The customer came/went and did their FSC. They weren't actually "retired", but discharged after some time of service.

I know about the Retired ID Card which is normally the only folks we've given the exemption for.

[Endless]

Top left corner of DD-214 States "CAUTION: NOT TO BE USED FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES and further it doesn't actually state "Honorably Retired" it reads "Line 28 SUFFICIENT SERVICE FOR RETIREMENT" They should be able to present a DD Form 2 Retired ID Card.

In reality mine does. Not really up for debate. Sorry. Maybe my admin typed it wrong before I retired from over 20 years of service. Not my problem.

[Condorguns]

In reality mine does. Not really up for debate. Sorry. Maybe my admin typed it wrong before I retired from over 20 years of service. Not my problem.

If you have a retired military ID you are exempt from theach FSC. The DD214 is not needed .