FFL3 Question

[condor]

Long story. I have an FFL3+COE, and lately got the yen for one of the Remington 700 200th Anniversary Limited edition 7mm Rem Mag's. Not cheap... Anyway I'll probably go thru an FFL1 locally, but my curious question is.. Could this rifle be considered, or qualify as, a C&R collectable, and be shipped directly to my home address and treated as a qualifying C&R?? The ATF does refer to guns that would be considered a collectable even though they aren't a 50 y.o., or on the C&R list to be considered C&R. It will go into my collection and just be a closet queen.... When I finally punch out, my kids can deal with it...

[SkyHawk]

Long story. I have an FFL3+COE, and lately got the yen for one of the Remington 700 200th Anniversary Limited edition 7mm Rem Mag's. Not cheap... Anyway I'll probably go thru an FFL1 locally, but my curious question is.. Could this rifle be considered, or qualify as, a C&R collectable, and be shipped directly to my home address and treated as a qualifying C&R?? The ATF does refer to guns that would be considered a collectable even though they aren't a 50 y.o., or on the C&R list to be considered C&R. It will go into my collection and just be a closet queen.... When I finally punch out, my kids can deal with it...

No, you don't get to decide what is collectible - only the ATF does. They usually do this at the request of state or federal museum curators. But you can also submit a sample weapon to the ATF and ask for a formal classification. Good luck

If the ATF has not called this rifle a C&R gun in writing, and it isn't 50+ years old, then you must use a 01 FFL.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

• Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms;
  
• Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
  
• Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

Firearms automatically attain C&R status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF's C&R list. Therefore, ATF does not generally list firearms in the C&R publication by virtue of their age. However, if you wish for a classification of your particular firearm under categories (b) or (c) above and wish your item to be listed, you may submit the weapon to the Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD) for a formal classification.

[condor]

No, you don't get to decide what is collectible - only the ATF does. They usually do this at the request of state or federal museum curators. But you can also submit a sample weapon to the ATF and ask for a formal classification. Good luck

If the ATF has not called this rifle a C&R gun in writing, and it isn't 50+ years old, then you must use a 01 FFL.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

I planned on doing an FFL1 anyway. Having to use an FFL1 only ain't necessarily so... Based on this off the ATF site.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

Ergo: a 200th Anniversary.....or any other Anniversary for that matter.

I also realize that it would be a PITA to get an Anniversary gun qualified, but it is related to a period or event, and the value would be greater because of that........

[Condorguns]

I planned on doing an FFL1 anyway. Having to use an FFL1 only ain't necessarily so... Based on this off the ATF site.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

Ergo: a 200th Anniversary.....or any other Anniversary for that matter.

I also realize that it would be a PITA to get an Anniversary gun qualified, but it is related to a period or event, and the value would be greater because of that........

That line of thinking would apply if they only made one gun for a 200 anniversary. If they make hundreds or thousands of firearms during the anniversary year, it's not so special.

There is an argument that could be made for the new 1911 that was made from a meteorite. It's a new gun, but definitely bizarre and rare.

[kemasa]

There are many firearms which are on the curio part of the list and are not over 50 years old. It seems likely that they might add such a firearm, but I suspect that is normally done by the manufacturer.

[condor]

That line of thinking would apply if they only made one gun for a 200 anniversary. If they make hundreds or thousands of firearms during the anniversary year, it's not so special.

There is an argument that could be made for the new 1911 that was made from a meteorite. It's a new gun, but definitely bizarre and rare.

In this particular case Rem is only producing 2016 guns in each model. Check this site out. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-edition-guns/

There are many firearms which are on the curio part of the list and are not over 50 years old. It seems likely that they might add such a firearm, but I suspect that is normally done by the manufacturer.

I think I'm going to call Remington Customer Service Monday morning....

And this I the model I'm talking about..... Remington 700 200th Anniversary Limited Edition

[Condorguns]

Having 2016 of a model isn't that big of a deal. Henry does runs of only 1000 for some collectable runs. I have a nice H and R that is one of 999.

It's a very successful gimmick to get people to buy quickly.

[kemasa]

Look at some of the firearms which are on the list. Do you consider a Texas Wagon Train version a big enough of a deal to be on the list? Well, it is. It also seems that they made 7800 of them.

One aspect is that it does not seem like anything new has been listed, or they are not posting it.