HOW TO:Interstate intrafamilial off roster handgun transfer

[GOLDEN GUN]

I finally spoke to my DOJ field rep and got a precise answer. This is what she said FFLs need to get it through.

Example: Father in state A wants to gift off roster handgun to son in California

Father signs a notarized letter indicating who he is, his address, his relationship to his son, who his son is, his sons address, and the make, model, and serial number of handgun, as well as the intention of gifting it to his son.

Father then includes a copy of his DL from State A verifying the information, the notarized letter, and the firearm in the same box and ships it directly to California FFL. (Father does not need to ship through an FFL in his state)

Once California FFL recieves package with all documents and firearms, Son can come in and Dros the handgun as an exempt handgun sale, pay Dros fees, and wait 10 days like an ordinary Dros.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE MAY THEY ALSO BRING IN ANY ASSUALT WEAPONS OR HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES FROM STATE A!!

Any questions?

This information comes straight from my DOJ field rep.

Disclosure: Field rep said it doesn't have to be notarized and it is at the discretion of FFL and what makes them feel comfortable in putting their license at risk. For me and the DOJ Field rep, we both agreed that a notarized letter indicating that information wth a copy of the DL is the strongest form of security in this transaction.

[CAL.BAR]

Good luck finding an FFL to take a gun directly from a non FFL. I don't know any that will.

[GOLDEN GUN]

I do

[ripro75]

I do

I do as well. I also input "intrafamilial transfer" in the comments section on the DROS.

[GOLDEN GUN]

That's a good idea

[wpod]

Would it be any less traumatic to the FFL if the out-of-state parent was visiting in CA and both parent and (adult) child walked in?
(Might have this happen in my family)

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[MJB]

What about brother to brother?

[teg33]

Brother to brother is no go

[GOLDEN GUN]

Would it be any less traumatic to the FFL if the out-of-state parent was visiting in CA and both parent and (adult) child walked in?
(Might have this happen in my family)

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No difference how the gun comes in to the state.. Notarized letter would still be required

[GOLDEN GUN]

What about brother to brother?

Must be vertical transfer... Parent to Child, Child to parent, grandparent to grandchild, grandchild to grandparent

[kemasa]

Good luck finding an FFL to take a gun directly from a non FFL. I don't know any that will.

I do too.

I think it is just an extra hoop to jump through to require that the letter be notarized. The letter, with a copy of the ID, would be enough and the CA DOJ would have to prove that it was all false. The question is the extra "protection" worth requiring?

[GOLDEN GUN]

I do too.

I think it is just an extra hoop to jump through to require that the letter be notarized. The letter, with a copy of the ID, would be enough and the CA DOJ would have to prove that it was all false. The question is the extra "protection" worth requiring?

As I disclosed, DOJ agent said notarized was not necessary, only a signed letter was necessary... However she did say that that would be the strongest form of proof one can get alongside a drivers license. She said t is up the the dealer what they feel comfortable taking since it's their license

[ugimports]

I finally spoke to my DOJ field rep and got a precise answer. This is what she said FFLs need to get it through.

Example: Father in state A wants to gift off roster handgun to son in California

Father signs a notarized letter indicating who he is, his address, his relationship to his son, who his son is, his sons address, and the make, model, and serial number of handgun, as well as the intention of gifting it to his son.

Father then includes a copy of his DL from State A verifying the information, the notarized letter, and the firearm in the same box and ships it directly to California FFL. (Father does not need to ship through an FFL in his state)

Once California FFL recieves package with all documents and firearms, Son can come in and Dros the handgun as an exempt handgun sale, pay Dros fees, and wait 10 days like an ordinary Dros.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE MAY THEY ALSO BRING IN ANY ASSUALT WEAPONS OR HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES FROM STATE A!!

Any questions?

This information comes straight from my DOJ field rep.

Disclosure: Field rep said it doesn't have to be notarized and it is at the discretion of FFL and what makes them feel comfortable in putting their license at risk. For me and the DOJ Field rep, we both agreed that a notarized letter indicating that information wth a copy of the DL is the strongest form of security in this transaction.

Good to know I've been doing it right. I also put this in the comments: "SB 15 Exempt - 27870PC intrafamily transfer, 12133PC Roster Exempt"

I don't know how much the notorization buys you though. Meaning it doesn't notarize the relationship. Just that the ID matches the person signing. I don't require that part.

E.g., Say we have:
John Doe Jr in CA
John Doe Sr in AZ (real dad)
John Doe in AZ (uncle)

I can get the notarized letter showing the Uncle is the "dad" on paper since the person doing the notary doesn't prove that. All they prove is that the "John Doe" signed the paper and his ID matched who he was.

If John Doe Jr is going to go through all that and perjure his uncle or friend named John Doe in AZ I'm not too worried. I would think the % of those really trying to work around the roster and willing to lie are very very low. I would suspect it would be easier for those types to go to a NV or AZ gun show and purchase from a private party.

[varanidguy]

I finally spoke to my DOJ field rep and got a precise answer. This is what she said FFLs need to get it through.

Example: Father in state A wants to gift off roster handgun to son in California

Father signs a notarized letter indicating who he is, his address, his relationship to his son, who his son is, his sons address, and the make, model, and serial number of handgun, as well as the intention of gifting it to his son.

Father then includes a copy of his DL from State A verifying the information, the notarized letter, and the firearm in the same box and ships it directly to California FFL. (Father does not need to ship through an FFL in his state)

Once California FFL recieves package with all documents and firearms, Son can come in and Dros the handgun as an exempt handgun sale, pay Dros fees, and wait 10 days like an ordinary Dros.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE MAY THEY ALSO BRING IN ANY ASSUALT WEAPONS OR HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINES FROM STATE A!!

Any questions?

This information comes straight from my DOJ field rep.

Disclosure: Field rep said it doesn't have to be notarized and it is at the discretion of FFL and what makes them feel comfortable in putting their license at risk. For me and the DOJ Field rep, we both agreed that a notarized letter indicating that information wth a copy of the DL is the strongest form of security in this transaction.

Is all that documentation necessary if they bring it in with them on a visit?

Never mind. Saw that someone already asked that. Egg is on my lazy face.

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[SRBill]

Kinda crazy. I visited a LGS. He said that it is best FFL to FFL. Said two transfers were turned down recently cuz the one transferring had an Oregon DL. LGS is here in Santa Rosa.. Markets. The other, Rinkor, also suggested best to go FFL to FFL.

I'd love to be able to have my son send it directly with documentation directly to my FFL.