Military IDs

[acespawnshop]

To be clear, if we are to take a Military ID for a firearm transaction the customer needs to have their orders also right? DOJ website states in their FAQ's on IDs that military needs to have orders and the FFL must get copies of both. Customer was saying he picked up his gun last week (at Turners) with just his military ID and a lease agreement. I told him no for a couple reasons. The Military ID proves his identity for BATFE but not his address. The lease does not work for ATF.

What if the person brought his Mil ID with some other form of documentation, such as a DMV registration?

[Condorguns]

If they don't have a California ID then you need the military ID and orders.

I have some guys from the base with California ID and only use the Military ID as a FSC exception. In that case you will not need the orders.

[kemasa]

CA law requires a CA ID/DL OR Military ID AND orders, so without the orders, they would need a CA ID/DL due to CA law.

[chris]

If they don't have a California ID then you need the military ID and orders.

I have some guys from the base with California ID and only use the Military ID as a FSC exception. In that case you will not need the orders.

what about military on TCS orders in another state?

I have read from the ATF that military members cannot buy while on TCS orders. I'm on a stateside deployment and will be in the state of Texas for one year. to my knowledge that is long enough for residency while I'm here.


I do plan on going home next year. I would like to buy here if I can. again I have heard that I can get a Texas ID here. Since my butt is here in Texas for a year.

Also I have a several friends who are here in Texas on similar orders and they have got their Texas ID's. now we know that gun stores say a lot of FUD. the ones local to Ft. Hood told they had to get a Texas ID to purchase and it's good to go. True or Not?

again I have also inquired from those who are here that only a state hunting license is required. that I have heard is easy to get for out of state and Texas is rather military friendly when it comes to hunting license. as for getting a hunting license I have no problem in doing that. as for purchasing a firearm with it not so much. those of us from California are unsure due the idiotic gun laws we have.

i'm not quite sure I can buy any firearm and bring them back without breaking some state or federal law.

I found this on the ATF FAQ website.

https://www.atf.gov/questions-and-answers/qa/may-person-who-resides-one-state-and-owns-property-another-state-purchase

May a person who resides in one State and owns property in another State purchase a firearm in either State?


If a person maintains a home in 2 States and resides in both States for certain periods of the year, he or she may, during the period of time the person actually resides in a particular State, purchase a firearm in that State. However, simply owning property in another State does not alone qualify the person to purchase a firearm in that State.

[27 CFR 478.11]

https://www.atf.gov/file/58676/download

You are reminded to exercise due diligence to ensure that these electronic orders reflect a PCS, not a temporary move or deployment (TDY) and that the dates of the transfer are identified on the document and are inclusive of the date of the attempted firearm acquisition. You are required to verify the identity of the transferee by examining a valid identification document.

any help on this would be great.

[kemasa]

what about military on TCS orders in another state?
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I am not sure about TCS, but I was told that you can only buy firearms at the location of your duty station or residence IF you can commute to the base from there. It is not the same as with others. This means if you are stationed overseas, you can not buy a firearm. It is not right, but unless and until there is enough pressure on the BATF to change their view, that seems to be the way it is.

Of course the FFL would not know that if you had a state ID and did not mention it. They might have also not asked about it either. Sometimes it is best to not ask a question since the answer might not be good.

[Endless]

To be clear, if we are to take a Military ID for a firearm transaction the customer needs to have their orders also right? DOJ website states in their FAQ's on IDs that military needs to have orders and the FFL must get copies of both. Customer was saying he picked up his gun last week (at Turners) with just his military ID and a lease agreement. I told him no for a couple reasons. The Military ID proves his identity for BATFE but not his address. The lease does not work for ATF.

What if the person brought his Mil ID with some other form of documentation, such as a DMV registration?

You need official current military orders and current military ID for California.

If out of state you also need proof of residence.
So when I buy let's say a Barrett 50 BMG in Maine I would need the following:
1) military ID
2) official military orders
3) proof of residence such as electric bill with your current address

You walk out of the gun shop with the 50 BMG in 15 minutes...meaning same day. It's that easy.

Now if you are TAD/TDY for like 3 weeks you aren't allowed to buy in that state, however if you are like in an a or c school that is like 12 or 18 months, even though it's TAD orders, you do satisfy most state requirements to purchase firearms in their state. But if the BATF says no then its a no go.

[EOD Guy]

To be clear, if we are to take a Military ID for a firearm transaction the customer needs to have their orders also right? DOJ website states in their FAQ's on IDs that military needs to have orders and the FFL must get copies of both. Customer was saying he picked up his gun last week (at Turners) with just his military ID and a lease agreement. I told him no for a couple reasons. The Military ID proves his identity for BATFE but not his address. The lease does not work for ATF.

What if the person brought his Mil ID with some other form of documentation, such as a DMV registration?

With a few exceptions, it is illegal to copy any Federal ID or credential, including a military ID card. An FFL making a copy is not one of the exceptions. I believe California DOJ only requires that you record the ID card number.

[Condorguns]

With a few exceptions, it is illegal to copy any Federal ID or credential, including a military ID card. An FFL making a copy is not one of the exceptions. I believe California DOJ only requires that you record the ID card number.

We record just the number for some Federal ID but not military ID. Prohibited to copy ID's state so on the back of the ID. There is no such warning for military ID.

What identification is required to purchase a firearm?
Clear evidence of identity and age is defined as a valid California driver license or a valid California identification card issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. Military identification is also acceptable if accompanied by permanent duty station orders indicating a posting in California, but the dealer must retain copies of both documents.

[chris]

You need official current military orders and current military ID for California.

If out of state you also need proof of residence.
So when I buy let's say a Barrett 50 BMG in Maine I would need the following:
1) military ID
2) official military orders
3) proof of residence such as electric bill with your current address

You walk out of the gun shop with the 50 BMG in 15 minutes...meaning same day. It's that easy.

Now if you are TAD/TDY for like 3 weeks you aren't allowed to buy in that state, however if you are like in an a or c school that is like 12 or 18 months, even though it's TAD orders, you do satisfy most state requirements to purchase firearms in their state. But if the BATF says no then its a no go.

I'm on mob orders for 365 days.

[kemasa]

With a few exceptions, it is illegal to copy any Federal ID or credential, including a military ID card. An FFL making a copy is not one of the exceptions. I believe California DOJ only requires that you record the ID card number.

CA wants the FFL to copy the ID. I asked about it since it is illegal to copy it. They said that if the person objects, then I don't have to. I then asked what if I object. They said that no one had asked that before.