PPT & new buy question (its a quickie).

[Bushwack44]

Question 1: Can I ppt twice on the same day (as the buyer)?

For example, I buy a Beretta from seller #1 then an hour later I buy a Colt from seller #2. Is this legal or must I wait for the 10 day process to finish before buying another pistol via ppt.


Question #2: Can I mix it up where I ppt (as the buyer) one pistol and on the same day buy a new pistol from an FFL?

Thanks for the help.

[smoothang21]

You have the right to buy as many ppt transactions as you want. Dealer purchases new or used are required 30 day wait from 1st dealer purchase.

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[Garv]

Except do not do the PPT or purchase in the city of Los Angeles.
(Includes Retting and Turners Reseda.)

They have a 1 in 30 rule for all handgun transactions.

[EBR Works]

A purchase from a dealer of a consignment, if handled as a PPT, is exempt from 1 in 30 as well.

[Sacramento Gun Club]

Question 1: Can I ppt twice on the same day (as the buyer)?

For example, I buy a Beretta from seller #1 then an hour later I buy a Colt from seller #2. Is this legal or must I wait for the 10 day process to finish before buying another pistol via ppt.


Question #2: Can I mix it up where I ppt (as the buyer) one pistol and on the same day buy a new pistol from an FFL?

Thanks for the help.

#1 - Yes

#2 - Yes, but as stated 1 in 30 for new pistols purchased at a store, which includes any firearm shipped to the FFL.

ATF does require the reporting of a person who purchases more than 1 handgun in 5 days or more than 1 semi-auto, centerfire rifle with detachable magazine in 5 days . It does not impede your ability to purchase to my knowledge, but we have to report the cases.

We've only had to send the notice once, but I was not the one who did it so the more experienced folks here should be able to shed some light on the specifics.

[Bushwack44]

Thanks all for your input. Although it doesn't apply to me at the moment, I forgot about L.A.'s 1 in 30 law.

[send it_hit]

Except do not do the PPT or purchase in the city of Los Angeles.
(Includes Retting and Turners Reseda.)

They have a 1 in 30 rule for all handgun transactions.

Ouch. That sucks. As a northerner, I've not encountered that, how long's that been in place?

[acespawnshop]

Question, does anybody out here know how does the City of Los Angeles enforce this policy? Is there a separate step in the DROS for dealers in LA? Does the DOJ monitor this policy for them and deny the DROS? Or is it up to the local dealers to comply? How would one dealer know for sure that the customer didn't buy one in say Reseda then buy one two days later at a different LGS?

[autopro]

Question, does anybody out here know how does the City of Los Angeles enforce this policy? Is there a separate step in the DROS for dealers in LA? Does the DOJ monitor this policy for them and deny the DROS? Or is it up to the local dealers to comply? How would one dealer know for sure that the customer didn't buy one in say Reseda then buy one two days later at a different LGS?

I can't specifically answere your question on how its enforced. I purchased a new handgun at the Shootist in Murrieta and a week later did a PPT of a handgun at Turner's in Reseda, the only place the seller was willing to do it. The PPT was denied as one in thirty violation by the DOJ.

[ke6guj]

#1 - Yes

#2 - Yes, but as stated 1 in 30 for new pistols purchased at a store, which includes any firearm shipped to the FFL.

please stop saying this. it applies to used pistols as well.

I can't buy multiple used trade-in pistols from a store at the same time. the law does not differentiate between new and used at all. the 1-in-30 apples to ALL pistols unless there is an exemption. PPT is one such exemption. USED is not an exemption.

[Librarian]

please stop saying this. it applies to used pistols as well.

I can't buy multiple used trade-in pistols from a store at the same time. the law does not differentiate between new and used at all. the 1-in-30 apples to ALL pistols unless there is an exemption. PPT is one such exemption. USED is not an exemption.

To expand...

Suppose a CA FFL buys a bunch of police trade-ins (on-Roster) and sells them in his/her shop.

They're used, but they are part of dealer stock, being sold by the dealer, so not a PPT and the Roster applies and 1-in-30 applies.

Conversely, maybe back in the 70's JoeBob bought six NIB Colt Pythons, and never even unwrapped 5 of them. Those are NEW, UNFIRED - but if JoeBob wants to sell me one (I'll meet you at City Arms East, JoeBob), he can do that PPT. The Roster does not apply, and except in City of LA, the 1-in-30 does not apply.

The distinction is not new/used. The distinction is 'who is selling the gun?'.

Now, it's true that for most FFLs most of what they sell out of their stores will be new, and most PPT sales by individuals will be used guns, but that's an accident, and not essential to the way the law applies.

[acespawnshop]

I can't specifically answere your question on how its enforced. I purchased a new handgun at the Shootist in Murrieta and a week later did a PPT of a handgun at Turner's in Reseda, the only place the seller was willing to do it. The PPT was denied as one in thirty violation by the DOJ.

Interesting. Are you 100% positive the FFL did the DROS submission correctly by doing it as a PPT? I've never had any experience with LA city. I try to not venture that far west unless its unavoidable.

[autopro]

Interesting. Are you 100% positive the FFL did the DROS submission correctly by doing it as a PPT? I've never had any experience with LA city. I try to not venture that far west unless its unavoidable.

With Turner's who knows. When I returned to pick up is when I found out. The manager asked me if I had purchased a handgun within the last thirty days and I responded yes. He said that is why. I waited for the thirty days from the previous purchase to expire and paid for another DROS waited ten days and picked up with no issues.


To Turner's credit they only charged me $25 the second time and no charge for storing the gun, such a deal!!!

[I Swan]

Except do not do the PPT or purchase in the city of Los Angeles.
(Includes Retting and Turners Reseda.)

They have a 1 in 30 rule for all handgun transactions.

Retting is in Culver City not LA city. Do they have a PPT law there like LA city or are you just mistaken? You don't have to sign for ammo in Culver City but that shop does take your info if purchasing ammo which I think is just the owner being a tard and not required by law there.

[Sacramento Gun Club]

please stop saying this. it applies to used pistols as well.

I can't buy multiple used trade-in pistols from a store at the same time. the law does not differentiate between new and used at all. the 1-in-30 apples to ALL pistols unless there is an exemption. PPT is one such exemption. USED is not an exemption.

To expand...

Suppose a CA FFL buys a bunch of police trade-ins (on-Roster) and sells them in his/her shop.

They're used, but they are part of dealer stock, being sold by the dealer, so not a PPT and the Roster applies and 1-in-30 applies.

Conversely, maybe back in the 70's JoeBob bought six NIB Colt Pythons, and never even unwrapped 5 of them. Those are NEW, UNFIRED - but if JoeBob wants to sell me one (I'll meet you at City Arms East, JoeBob), he can do that PPT. The Roster does not apply, and except in City of LA, the 1-in-30 does not apply.

The distinction is not new/used. The distinction is 'who is selling the gun?'.

Now, it's true that for most FFLs most of what they sell out of their stores will be new, and most PPT sales by individuals will be used guns, but that's an accident, and not essential to the way the law applies.

Apologies gents. The spirit of what I posted was meant as the way Librarian expanded. My choice of words were not specific enough.