Locking requirements

[smoothang21]

I had a question just starting my ffl and wanted to know what are lock requirements when leaving the shop I know there a affadavit to sign before they leave but is that necessary along with a cable lock and when you have a ppt and they leave with the gun after 10 days process but don't have a case which requirement would b required

[Librarian]

I had a question just starting my ffl and wanted to know what are lock requirements when leaving the shop

I know there a affadavit to sign before they leave but is that necessary along with a cable lock and when you have a ppt and they leave with the gun after 10 days process but don't have a case which requirement would b required

See the wiki article -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu...es.2C_and_Laws

Briefly: you must satisfy both CA and Federal law.

CA requires any gun must be delivered with a lock, or a safe affidavit on file.

Federal law requires a lock only for handguns, and BATF will not accept the CA Safe Affidavit, even though federal law does accept a safe.

[smoothang21]

See the wiki article -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu...es.2C_and_Laws

Briefly: you must satisfy both CA and Federal law.

CA requires any gun must be delivered with a lock, or a safe affidavit on file.

Federal law requires a lock only for handguns, and BATF will not accept the CA Safe Affidavit, even though federal law does accept a safe.

Ok so if I deliver a handgun needs to leave with lock can't use affadavit? and how about someone don't have a case just comes ppt with gun what should they leave with and how? I'm understanding with rifles can just sign affadavit no lock needed? how bout shotguns

[smoothang21]

Ok so if I deliver a handgun needs to leave with lock can't use affadavit? and how about someone don't have a case just comes ppt with gun what should they leave with and how? I'm understanding with rifles can just sign affadavit no lock needed? how bout shotguns

This reading crap sucks cuz things sounds supersedes over something else so I like to know what other ffl been doing and been doing for long time

[TKM]

Other FFLs are supposed to be exempt. O3s for example, but it's hard to get people to read the law as written.

[smoothang21]

Other FFLs are supposed to be exempt. O3s for example, but it's hard to get people to read the law as written.

Believe me I work in a union job and dam if I ever heard when something goes wrong or comes up we didn't know cuz it wasn't specifically defined and interpret which is so much bull**** and politics like of course this business is

[Condorguns]

This reading crap sucks cuz things sounds supersedes over something else so I like to know what other ffl been doing and been doing for long time

For us all handguns leave the store with a lock. Rifles can use the safe affidavit. Learn your local laws as some places require that firearms leave the store in a case of some kind. Most of your new guns will now come with a California approved lock.

Learn to love the reading/writing and become good at it. You are entering into a profession that is 95% paperwork and 5% guns. You have to master this to survive.

[smoothang21]

For us all handguns leave the store with a lock. Rifles can use the safe affidavit. Learn your local laws as some places require that firearms leave the store in a case of some kind. Most of your new guns will now come with a California approved lock.

Learn to love the reading/writing and become good at it. You are entering into a profession that is 95% paperwork and 5% guns. You have to master this to survive.

Oh ya I read and what sucks is reading over and over just stuff seems like it like it's not all specifically defined and ya here local stores did that with me but how bout with ppt guns with no case how do they leave

[Condorguns]

Oh ya I read and what sucks is reading over and over just stuff seems like it like it's not all specifically defined and ya here local stores did that with me but how bout with ppt guns with no case how do they leave

Again check your local laws to determine case requirements. PPT guns are no different than any other gun. It's leaving the shop with a lock or an affidavit depending on the type of firearm.

My location doesn't require a box or case. I still take the time to clearly explain legal transportation requirements to my customers. Although once the firearm leaves my shop I'm not responsible for how they transport it, I respect my customers enough to provide them will all the information available to keep them out of trouble.

It was my choice to be a part of this crazy business so it's my responsibility to learn the laws and daily keep up with changes. This is going to eat up a lot of your time so plan for it now. Calguns is a great place to keep up with info, but you have to put the effort in to educate yourself. Read the Wiki then read it again.

[keenkeen]

Oh ya I read and what sucks is reading over and over just stuff seems like it like it's not all specifically defined and ya here local stores did that with me but how bout with ppt guns with no case how do they leave

How did it come into your store without a locked case?

Would you want it to leave the store without a lock and case or locked case?

Source some cheap locking cases & locks or gun rug covers that can hold cable locked guns and sell them to PPT customers as needed to keep them compliant.

[kemasa]

... BATF will not accept the CA Safe Affidavit, even though federal law does accept a safe.

I talked to a BATF attorney quite some time ago and what he said that the view was that the FFL had to provide the lock OR safe, not that the person had a lock or safe. So if the FFL wanted to give a safe when the person left, that would work.

The BATF has not published the required information, so it is unknown if it really could be enforced. Also, I was told by IOIs that they are only to do something if they personally see a person leaving with a handgun and no lock.

As for CA, for a lock, it has to come with the firearm or if the buyer provides the lock, then they have to have a receipt within 30 days.

[smoothang21]

How did it come into your store without a locked case?

Would you want it to leave the store without a lock and case or locked case?

Source some cheap locking cases & locks or gun rug covers that can hold cable locked guns and sell them to PPT customers as needed to keep them compliant.

So how bout they do come in with a lock and when they come pick it up do they have to buy another lock from me since it wasn't bought within 30 days?

[smoothang21]

How did it come into your store without a locked case?

Would you want it to leave the store without a lock and case or locked case?

Source some cheap locking cases & locks or gun rug covers that can hold cable locked guns and sell them to PPT customers as needed to keep them compliant.

Just all this reading only says so much a lot of it is really not to defined there a lot of different scenarios for the same thing

[kemasa]

If the firearm comes with a lock it does not need a separate receipt since it is part of the whole sale.

[smoothang21]

If the firearm comes with a lock it does not need a separate receipt since it is part of the whole sale.

Oh ok ya that part I understand with new guns. But mine is when someone brings one to ppt and has a lock and case for it when they leave my store can they use same one they brought or have to buy a new one since they bought there own long ago?