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  • CRPA News and Updates
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    • Jul 2010
    • 229

    CA DOJ Crack-Down on FFLs

    CRPA Supports Efforts to Warn Firearms Retailers about California DOJ Crack-Down on California Dealers

    Firearms dealers (FFLs) and California dangerous weapons permit holders beware! According to the dealer service FFLGuard recently put out an alert on this topic, which can be viewed here. Dealers can get more information about surviving these inspections, learn what the most common violations are, and be advised on how to avoid being cited for these violations from the FFLGuard website. FFLGuard is a service offered by a collection of lawyers, subject matter experts, and industry professionals who provide education training and rapid response services to their clients. Visit www.fflguard.com or call 1-888-335-4731 for more information.

    Although CRPA supports the efforts of FFLGuard
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  • #2
    Maltese Falcon
    Ordo Militaris Templi
    CGN Contributor
    • Feb 2009
    • 6731

    Okay, looks like the Devil IS in the details. Good luck to y'all!

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    • #3
      dachan
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 1973

      This is just one tiny step above spam.

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      • #4
        acespawnshop
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        • Jun 2012
        • 2852

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        • #5
          kemasa
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jun 2005
          • 10706

          While they say that the CRPA does not benefit from the ad, I have to wonder if the people involved are the same between the two.
          Kemasa.
          False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

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          • #6
            scootle
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • Oct 2010
            • 2702

            Whether an ad or not for FFLGuard, what they reported in the article is apparently true... DOJ is currently out auditing FFLs more aggressively than usual as we speak...

            I wonder where they suddenly came up with the resources to go off and scrub the FFL roster?
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            • #7
              USAF4564
              Member
              • Mar 2013
              • 319

              It is happening. My FFL was audited and shut down for discrepancies. Hoping he can get back on line soon and without major consequences.

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              • #8
                Twystd1
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                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2009
                • 2692

                Originally posted by USAF4564
                It is happening. My FFL was audited and shut down for discrepancies. Hoping he can get back on line soon and without major consequences.
                Same here. My favorite FFL just got shut down as well. AFTER 35 YEARS of doing biz in SoCal.

                -T

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                • #9
                  scootle
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 2702

                  Originally posted by USAF4564
                  It is happening. My FFL was audited and shut down for discrepancies. Hoping he can get back on line soon and without major consequences.
                  Originally posted by Twystd1
                  Same here. My favorite FFL just got shut down as well. AFTER 35 YEARS of doing biz in SoCal.
                  If people are willing to say... what areas are these FFLs located in?

                  I don't know for sure if it's DoJ audit-related yet, but a FFL up here in the SFBA (Digital Instincts) mentioned he had auditors present this week and as of yesterday, posted a going-out-of-business sale announcement on FB. That would be one helluva coincidence...
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                  • #10
                    USAF4564
                    Member
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 319

                    Antelope Valley

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                    • #11
                      JeffM
                      Veteran Member
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 4359

                      I have mixed feelings about this.

                      On one hand, FFLs who aren't doing it properly, cutting corners, etc. need to be called out on it. It makes the rest of us look bad. Proper compliance with the law costs time and money, inconveniences customers, and down right causes the loss of sales (ie refusing sales when the customer can't come up with proper ID or proof of residency).

                      There are FFLs in my area who do not follow the law simply to make a few extra bucks. Some of them have been audited by ATF or DOJ and have been told to fix it. Some have and some haven't. It'll be a shame when they get audited and possibly shut down because they're nice guys and all, but it'll be no ones fault but their own.

                      On the other hand, I don't trust the DOJ to do fair and impartial audits. The DOJ has been known to use audits to harass FFLs. It may be that the FFLs they are shutting down have made simple mistakes and are not receiving a fair shake to correct the problems. Heck, the DOJ may be fabricating violations. I don't know but it wouldn't surprise me based on my firsthand experience with them.

                      Until the DOJ gets it's house in order and creates a track record of professionalism (which my more recent interactions with them would reflect - however, I'm only a sample of one), their motives will be suspect in my mind and the minds of many gun owners.

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                      • #12
                        laurelpark
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 1013

                        I've heard a few horror stories over the last month or so, and the DoJ definitely seems like it's out on a hunt. When I've discussed the situation with a few FFLs, the one common denominator was that many FFLs who did a ton of SSE business are getting screwed. The auditors are digging extremely deep into their operations and paperwork, and we all know that if anyone looks hard enough with the intent of finding something, they will find something. It's really a shame - and it smells a lot like unfair ex post facto prosecution.

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