CLEO for multiple sales form?

[eltee]

I'm going to be DROS'ng two pistols at the same time. On the ATF Report of multiple sales form, one copy goes to the "CLEO" (Chief Law Enforcement Officer).

My first time doing this. Is the CLEO for California the CA DOJ Firearms Div or the Chief of Police of where I do business or the Chief of the buyer's residence?

THANKS for any info.

[ASD1]

Your CLEO

[eltee]

OK,Forward to the Chief Of Police where my FFL business is. Any downside to selling multi on one transaction vs. separate ones a few weeks apart?

THANKS.

[RZ Operations]

OK,Forward to the Chief Of Police where my FFL business is. Any downside to selling multi on one transaction vs. separate ones a few weeks apart?

THANKS.

I guess the downside is filling out the form. Lol.

[ASD1]

I guess the downside is filling out the form. Lol.

^^^this^^^

[kemasa]

Which would you prefer, filling out the form or the state getting an additional $25? There could also be issues with specifically doing the transfers so as to avoid filling out the form. Also, the more forms that are sent in, the less likely anything will be done with them. Imagine if everyone on a given day bought more than one and the forms were sent in.

[ammoparadise]

Easiest way to avoid the form (some customers don't want any extra reporting to govn't) is to have the customer pick them up at least 5 days apart. The multiple sale report must be filed if a handgun is transferred (picked up/disposed) within 5 days. If you DROS at the same time and stagger the pickup, you could avoid having to fill the form if that's the customer's preference.

Our ATF auditor actually brought this up as "advice" during our inspection. There's nothing wrong with avoiding the form, just make sure to follow the rules.

[ke6guj]

Easiest way to avoid the form (some customers don't want any extra reporting to govn't) is to have the customer pick them up at least 5 days apart. The multiple sale report must be filed if a handgun is transferred (picked up/disposed) within 5 days. If you DROS at the same time and stagger the pickup, you could avoid having to fill the form if that's the customer's preference.

Our ATF auditor actually brought this up as "advice" during our inspection. There's nothing wrong with avoiding the form, just make sure to follow the rules.

how is this done on one 4473? or do you do multiple 4473's, one for each pickup?

[kemasa]

You would have to do it on multiple 4473s since the delivery date would be different.

[acespawnshop]

It always seems to puzzle me that people would have an issue with the Multiple handgun forms being reported to Big Brother, yet the state already collects as much information about the purchaser as possible. Am I missing something here? It seems that in other states this form may be relevant to tracking who purchases multiple handguns, but in CA it seems superfluous. I guess what I'm trying to say is why would somebody in CA really care that this extra form has to be filled out? I don't see the value in trying to skirt the step of having to report to ATF when you buy more that 1 handgun in 5 days.

Side note, I only had to fill this report out once. A LEO friend of mine who lives 60 miles away from my store but purchased his firearms through me. I filled out the paperwork and sent it to my CLEO, and about 5 days later I received a phone call from the PD asking why we sent this to them? They were confused as to why I sent it and why the purchaser lived 60 miles away. Short version they were clueless as to what the form was for or why we even had to fill it out. Seems to be that the CELO in most areas probably doesn't care if somebody buys more than 1 handgun. Seems to be a waste of my stamp, envelope, toner, ink, pens, paper, time, air, energy......

[kemasa]

It is because that don't know that the CA DOJ will give the info to the BATF, so it really does not matter.

[RZ Operations]

It always seems to puzzle me that people would have an issue with the Multiple handgun forms being reported to Big Brother, yet the state already collects as much information about the purchaser as possible. Am I missing something here? It seems that in other states this form may be relevant to tracking who purchases multiple handguns, but in CA it seems superfluous. I guess what I'm trying to say is why would somebody in CA really care that this extra form has to be filled out? I don't see the value in trying to skirt the step of having to report to ATF when you buy more that 1 handgun in 5 days.

Side note, I only had to fill this report out once. A LEO friend of mine who lives 60 miles away from my store but purchased his firearms through me. I filled out the paperwork and sent it to my CLEO, and about 5 days later I received a phone call from the PD asking why we sent this to them? They were confused as to why I sent it and why the purchaser lived 60 miles away. Short version they were clueless as to what the form was for or why we even had to fill it out. Seems to be that the CELO in most areas probably doesn't care if somebody buys more than 1 handgun. Seems to be a waste of my stamp, envelope, toner, ink, pens, paper, time, air, energy......

My ATF person told me that most CLEO won't know or care about the form...but we still have to make the attempt to send it....

[kemasa]

Talk to them and see if you can send them an email, just like with the BATF. It is easier for them to trash it if they want and it does not cost you anything.

[eltee]

I'm friends with the chief, I may just stop by.

[acespawnshop]

Thats a good idea Kemasa. Print it as a .pdf and email it to the Chief. Not a bad idea.