The Bible

[Barang]

Goverment, religious people, God-haters and others tried to destroy it by confiscation, burning, banning printing, distribution and reading especially in public schools. Who would have thought that just by saying "Bless you" after sneezing could get you in trouble? Interesting time we live in.
Jesus said "Just like the days of Noah so is the coming of the Son of Man." The violence and wickedness of men are such that God had to bring judgement to the world and start anew with eight souls surviving the worldwide flood.
Regardless of what we think about the Bible, just a fairy tale or the Word of God.
In the end, we will be judge according to the Book. And when that time comes, it is too late and there will be no remedy. Destination will be determined and it is final.
I forgot who said this "In hell, there are no atheist. Either we bow down to Jesus now (voluntarily) or bow down later and still go to hell.
Matthew 12:30New King James Version (NKJV)
30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Philippians 2:10-11New King James Version (NKJV)
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[eb47]

Goverment, religious people, God-haters and others tried to destroy it by confiscation, burning, printing, distribution and reading especially in public schools. Who would have thought that just by saying "Bless you" after sneezing could get you in trouble? Interesting time we live in.
Jesus said "Just like the days of Noah so is the coming of the Son of Man." The violence and wickedness of men are such that God had to bring judgement to the world and start anew with eight souls surviving the worldwide flood.
Regardless of what we think about the Bible, just a fairy tale or the Word of God.
In the end, we will be judge according to the Book. And when that time comes, it is too late and there will be no remedy. Destination will be determined and it is final.
I forgot who said this "In hell, there are no atheist. Either we bow down to Jesus now (voluntarily) or bow down later and still go to hell.
Matthew 12:30New King James Version (NKJV)
30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Philippians 2:10-11New King James Version (NKJV)
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Agreed...
Rev. 20:12
King James Bible
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

[mossy]

Regardless of what we think about the Bible, just a fairy tale or the Word of God.
In the end, we will be judge according to the Book. And when that time comes, it is too late and there will be no remedy. Destination will be determined and it is final.
I forgot who said this "In hell, there are no atheist. Either we bow down to Jesus now (voluntarily) or bow down later and still go to hell.
Matthew 12:30New King James Version (NKJV)
30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Philippians 2:10-11New King James Version (NKJV)
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

ok, i don't get it. the way you say it, Christianity sounds like a thinly veiled threat. bow down or you go straight to hell. so if one is only bowing down to avoid hell then he is not freely making the decision to be a christian instead its more like he is being forced so can he be a true christian? its like a guy saying get in my car and lets go for a ride, the people he asks might say no, but if he ask them to get in the car while he is holding a gun they will most likely get in the car. can you be considered a christian if the only reason you started calling yourself a christian is to avoid hell?

[echoThreeOneSix]

ok, i don't get it. the way you say it, Christianity sounds like a thinly veiled threat. bow down or you go straight to hell. so if one is only bowing down to avoid hell then he is not freely making the decision to be a christian instead its more like he is being forced so can he be a true christian? its like a guy saying get in my car and lets go for a ride, the people he asks might say no, but if he ask them to get in the car while he is holding a gun they will most likely get in the car. can you be considered a christian if the only reason you started calling yourself a christian is to avoid hell?

be nice, don't troll the religious people.

[mossy]

be nice, don't troll the religious people.

i am not trolling. or at least i am not trying to, usually when i troll i put a little effort or thought into it. just asking a question. if one only joins to avoid hell, is one a true christian.

[Lineman101]

If I might address the question of hell and eternal separation:
Because of the transgression of mankind against God in the Garden of Eden, mankind chose to separate from God. The destiny of *all* mankind is hell, or eternal separation from God. The miracle is that God moved to save any of us! God has provided a way in Jesus to escape the destiny of eternal separation from Him. Should Jesus have never come and provided for redemption at the Cross, *ALL* mankind would perish.

Eternal separation is the destiny for those who fail to embrace the gift that God has provided. Troll or not, this is the truth according to the Scripture. We must act quickly while we still can.

[Lineman101]

mossy,
Jesus is the means that was provided to escape the sure destiny of *ALL* mankind. There is no other name given under Heaven by which we must be saved.

Acts 4:11
11 This Jesus[a] is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.[b] 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men[c] by which we must be saved.” (ESV)

It's not about joining a church or any other act. It's about coming into communion with Christ and exchanging your rags of filthiness for a robe of righteousness. So that when you stand before Him, His perfection will have been laid to your account.

[echoThreeOneSix]

i am not trolling. or at least i am not trying to, usually when i troll i put a little effort or thought into it. just asking a question. if one only joins to avoid hell, is one a true christian.

I understand that but you're barking up the wrong tree here. have you seen the "Are Demons Real" thread? these people talk about supernatural stuff and mythology as if they themselves hold the answers. you ask a legitimate question but i'm afraid it will bear no fruit.

[Lineman101]

I understand that but you're barking up the wrong tree here. have you seen the "Are Demons Real" thread? these people talk about supernatural stuff and mythology as if they themselves hold the answers. you ask a legitimate question but i'm afraid it will bear no fruit.

We only appeal to the Scripture for our answers. Our own opinions are meaningless. As Christians, we believe God has given us all that we need to know in this life in those pages. It is in His words that we find the meaning of life and His words lead us to eternal life.

[echoThreeOneSix]

We only appeal to the Scripture for our answers. Our own opinions are meaningless. As Christians, we believe God has given us all that we need to know in this life in those pages. It is in His words that we find the meaning of life and His words lead us to eternal life.

you know there were a bunch of different versions of the Bible, right? I just can't understand how such a large group of people can put such undying faith into a book written by man. I guess you have to believe that it was inspired word of God, but then it's been translated so many times that are we really sure we have it right? ...oh god, I've been sucked in.

[Lineman101]

you know there were a bunch of different versions of the Bible, right? I just can't understand how such a large group of people can put such undying faith into a book written by man. I guess you have to believe that it was inspired word of God, but then it's been translated so many times that are we really sure we have it right? ...oh god, I've been sucked in.

I won't try to continue sway your mind, as you seem to have already made up your mind. Yes, a book that was scribed by man under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Man did scribe the word, but only as it was given to them from God. Language changes, but the message of the Scripture has remained consistent throughout the millenniums. And a God that can create all of the seen and unseen world is certainly powerful enough to maintain His message throughout all generations. There is much scholarly research on this subject alone. In closing, the Bible can be demonstrated to be divine, rather than human in origin.

[mossy]

mossy,
Jesus is the means that was provided to escape the sure destiny of *ALL* mankind. There is no other name given under Heaven by which we must be saved.

i know another name. its not written in your bible because it is not part of Christianity and was taught way before Christianity was even a thought. you wont believe me and will most certainly be convinced i am a sinner doomed to a eternity in hell, but that's all your choice. i know the way i must walk.

"Therefore, Ananda, be a lamp unto yourself, be a refuge to yourself. Take yourself to no external refuge. Hold fast to the Truth as a lamp; hold fast to the Truth as a refuge. Look not for a refuge in anyone beside yourself. And those, Ananda, who either now or after I am dead shall be a lamp unto themselves, who take themselves to no external refuge, but holding fast to the Truth as their lamp, and holding fast to the Truth as their refuge, shall not look for refuge to anyone beside themselves, it is they who shall reach the highest goal"

think about it.

[Lineman101]

At the beginning, when mankind transgressed God's commandment, we chose our destiny. At that time, God promised a coming Redeemer. One who would ultimately take away the sin of the world. All of God's people before Christ looked forward to the coming Redeemer and the Promise of God's provision. In this looking forward, they were considered by God to be righteous; because they believed God and it was credited to them as righteousness.

On this side of the Cross, we look back to the Redemption that Christ provided. So Jesus is the central figure by which salvation can be found in all times; both before the Cross and after the Cross.

[Lineman101]

i know another name. its not written in your bible because it is not part of Christianity and was taught way before Christianity was even a thought. you wont believe me and will most certainly be convinced i am a sinner doomed to a eternity in hell, but that's all your choice. i know the way i must walk.

"Therefore, Ananda, be a lamp unto yourself, be a refuge to yourself. Take yourself to no external refuge. Hold fast to the Truth as a lamp; hold fast to the Truth as a refuge. Look not for a refuge in anyone beside yourself. And those, Ananda, who either now or after I am dead shall be a lamp unto themselves, who take themselves to no external refuge, but holding fast to the Truth as their lamp, and holding fast to the Truth as their refuge, shall not look for refuge to anyone beside themselves, it is they who shall reach the highest goal"

think about it.

Hi mossy,
But for Christ, all are doomed. That includes me.

Proverbs 14
12 There is a way that seems right to a man,
but its end is the way to death.[a]

I am afraid that without Christ, we are all dead men.

[echoThreeOneSix]

has anyone ever thought about this stuff for other than what the Bible says? has anyone ever thought about the personal aspect of a relationship with a "creator". I can't stand it when people quote the bible for their every thought. you guys sound like little robots doing as commanded. it should be a personal experience, something not dictated by the words of questionable individuals that has been filtered by the Catholic church in order to get money in exchange for peoples salvation.

i'm all for a relationship with a "God" or "creator" but to quote the bible with every sentence or thought IMO shows a lack of personal experience. anything can be taught or read, but a true relationship will lead to experience which is worth more than 1000 Bibles.