Coincidence?

[Sailormilan2]

A couple of weeks ago I was having a conversation with someone about Adolf Hitler, and that I had been told that Hitler had spent some time with an Adventist family when he was in Vienna learning to paint. Evidence for this was him being a non smoking, non drinking, vegetarian, which at that time was very rare. Especially in Europe. My brother has told me that years ago he stumbled across a book in our Adventist school library that mentioned the Adventist family in Viena bit. But, when he went back for it later, the book was gone. The person I was talking with said she had been told that Hitler had read a book by John H Kellogg, and that's where he got his ideas from.
Then I found some interesting things about the two. Kellogg, an Adventist, was a vegetarian, and didn't smoke or drink. He also didn't believe in sex. Kellogg's corn flake cereal was developed to stop people from eating spicy breakfast meat, and thereby reduce their sex drive. Sort of an anti-aphrodisiac. This idea comes from Ellen G White, of the Adventists, wrote that eating spicy animal products would increase the sex drive.
Kellogg never consummated his 50 year long marriage, he and his wife slept in separate rooms. As did the Whites, and they mentored him. With him being very close to James White.
Kellogg also was a leader in racial purity and eugenics. He wrote a paper on it, and the students and faculty at Battle Creek College were expected to promote this. He also put on a 4 day symposium on eugenics in 1913.
So, Kellogg was a nonsmoking, non drinking, vegetarian, who didn't believe in sex, and promoted racial purity and eugenics.
Adolf Hitler was a nonsmoking, non drinking, vegetarian, who was against sex(he wouldn't let anyone but his closest people know he was in a relationship), and who believed in racial purity and eugenics.
Let alone the fact that Hitler and the German Adventist Church had come to an understanding, and he left them alone. In fact, there are reports that they actively supported him. I don't think that's a coincidence. Really disturbing to think that the religion I was raised in could possibly be behind someone like Hitler.

[Dezrat]

Talk about peeing in my cornflakes........... Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Wordupmybrotha]

Are those the orthodox beliefs of the 7th Day Adventists?

[TrailerparkTrash]

Adventism is not a “christian” religion as far as christian orthodoxy is concerned. Orthodox christianity does NOT share the same core christian values as what SDA’s believe.

[Sailormilan2]

Are those the orthodox beliefs of the 7th Day Adventists?

Adventism is not a ?christian? religion as far as christian orthodoxy is concerned. Orthodox christianity does NOT share the same core christian values as what SDA?s believe.

I will agree with TrailerparkTrash.

Adventism is against smoking, and drinking alcohol. Ellen White was very much against drinking alcohol. Yet there was evidence from her diary entries and letters that she drank............at least medicinally.
They recommend against eating meat. In fact, Ellen White, who the Adventist Church runs on, says that people who eat meat will not be prepared to go to Heaven. Plus, she says that eating animal products(meats, dairy, eggs), spicy or otherwise, can increase the "Animal passions"(sex urges), especially in the youth, and possibly prevent prayers from reaching God.
As for abstaining from sex altogether, the evidence for that is slim. Though, I think it is there. She does say in one place that the time is coming when it is better to be single than married. I think the church has done a good job in hiding some of her biggest blunders.
Racism, while hidden is there. She says that some races are an "amalgamation" between man and beast. Though she doesn't say which groups of people she is talking about. Some of them are identified by another Adventist Church leader, who mentioned the "Digger Indians", some of the "Hottentots", and the "Bushmen".

[2761377]

don't worry about SDA as the root of his 'religion'.

he beliefs were gnostic in origin. TIK History on youtube has a couple videos that make a convincing argument.

the "almighty" he talked about was definitely not YHWH.

[Garand Hunter]

Well TPT, we have a place for agreement here. I read once years ago about her saying that the blood in Jesus's veins NOT being pure or divine. Too many years back to remember what material and when, I was less than 25 years old along this journey.

Psalm 1

[Sailormilan2]

Garand Hunter, she says that Christ death on the cross did not do away with one?s sins. They still written in a book to be judged at a later time. That time beginning at Oct 22, 1844.

[TrailerparkTrash]

Well here’s where Seventh Day Adventists (SDA’s) differ from orthodox Christianity’s core doctrine:

SDA and God:
God, the father is generally understood to possess a physical body and both trinitarianism an anti-trinitarianism are believed in the church today.

Whereas christians believe in one God being Triune, that is God in three persons. God is a spiritual being without a physical body. He is personal and involved with people. He created the universe out of nothing. He is eternal, changeless, wholly loving and perfect.

SDA and Jesus
Ellen White says God, the father, exalted Jesus to be a son, thus provoking Lucifer’s jealousy, and war in heaven. They believe that Jesus is our example to prove we can live “sinlessly.” They believe that Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross, did not complete the atonement; since 1844, he has been applying his blood in heaven in an ongoing “investigative judgment?” after which he will return. Some SDA?p’s also identify Jesus as Michael the archangel. Most Adventist founders denied Jesus’s deity.

Whereas Christian’s believe that Jesus is God in the flesh, the second person of the Holy Trinity. As God, The Son, He has always existed, and was never created. He is fully God and fully man, the two natures joined, not mixed. In becoming man, he was begotten through the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. Jesus is the only way to the father, salvation, and eternal life. He died on the cross, according to God’s plan, as the full sacrifice and payment for our sins. He died for our sins on the cross, and will come again visibly and physically at the end of the world to establish God’s kingdom and judge the world.

SDA and salvation
Seventh-day (Saturday) sabbath observance is a sign of the seal of God, wheras Sunday worship is the mark of the beast. They believe that Satan is the scapegoat to be punished in the lake of fire for the sins of the saved.

Whereas Christians believe that salvation is by God’s grace, not by an individual’s good works. Salvation must be received by faith. People must believe in their hearts that Jesus died for their sins, and physically rose again, which is the assurance of forgiveness and resurrection of the body. This is God’s loving plan to forgive sinful people.

SDA and death
Adventists believe that humans have no immaterial spirit, so at death, the body goes into the ground, and the breath goes to God. Nothing remains except in God?s memory. At judgment, the lake of fire annihilates the wicked.

Whereas Christians believe that believers go to be with Jesus. After death, all people await the final judgment. Both saved and lost. People will be resurrected. Those who are saved will live with Jesus in heaven. Those who are lost will suffer the torment of eternal separation from God (hell). Jesus has bodily resurrection, guarantees believers that they too, will be resurrected and receive new immortal bodies.

There’s other secondary issues related to jewelry, drinking, smoking, clean/unclean meat, ”Revelation seminars” and such… but one gets the jist of things noted above.

[Sailormilan2]

Yeah. I was raised in it. Surrounded by it. SDA schools from grade 1-12, and 2 years at an SDA college. Back then, there was no internet and no way to research, and confirm/deny, what we were taught.
So now, I trust none, and look up everything.