UMC split

[Marauder2003]

https://share.newsbreak.com/zmql9lr3

[Garand Hunter]

Good to see part of them still stand for the faith once delivered to the saints ! Didn't St Paul set something forth about " abusers of themselves with other men " somewhere in the NT ? Romans maybe ?

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[Wordupmybrotha]

Couldn't read OP's article without downloading an app.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.christianpost.com/amp/umc-bishops-president-decries-schism-over-lgbt-stance.html

[Wordupmybrotha]

The Left destroys whatever they touch. And they have infiltrated the church to destroy it from within. Seeing an example of that.

[RAMCLAP]

Excellent.

[RandyD]

The Bible is very clear that we are to part from those who actively sin.

[PogoJack]

ELCA
Presbyterian Church USA

Now this.

When you visit these churches, you can tell they are dead inside.

[Barang]

"The breakaway denomination, called the Global Methodist Church, will officially exist as of Sunday. Its leaders have been exasperated by liberal churches’ continued defiance of UMC bans on same-sex marriage and the ordination of openly gay clergy."

those are not Christians! they are like democrats who use God's name only when it's convenient to exploit a certain crisis.

do they even use Bible? obviously not but a satanic book!

[billvau]

The Bible knows nothing of "church splits" but rather deals with sin by church discipline. Sad to see them not openly confront the sin with discipline. Most Christian churches have membership clauses that say you can't resign your membership when in the Matthew 18 process. So, they leave (run away), but the church still continues and reminds everyone what sin is and how God deals with it.

[Garand Hunter]

Hi Bro Bill, may I make a point here ? Discipline only works with homosexuals in church organizations as far as the ones going another direction will accept it.
The group in this case is leaving the one going aside, not accepting not embracing what St Paul plainly rejected as SIN. So Called gay, liberal woke or whatever will not accept the truth. Leave them to their own devices, the LORD will deal with them. Just my sense of Paul's instruction in the New Testament. California has plenty of those desiring continual abuse of themselves with men with men and women with women. As well other states.

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[billvau]

Hi Bro Bill, may I make a point here ? Discipline only works with homosexuals in church organizations as far as the ones going another direction will accept it.
The group in this case is leaving the one going aside, not accepting not embracing what St Paul plainly rejected as SIN. So Called gay, liberal woke or whatever will not accept the truth. Leave them to their own devices, the LORD will deal with them. Just my sense of Paul's instruction in the New Testament. California has plenty of those desiring continual abuse of themselves with men with men and women with women. As well other states.

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Hi GH - Discipline always works regardless of the disciplined members response. The church goes through the four steps with or without them. Yes, very often they leave, don't agree with the discipline, etc. But, it doesn't matter because Matthew 18:18 clearly states that heaven (i.e. God) has already made the decision to do the four steps of discipline before the church did! (same with repentance after).

In the NT, discipline was even done in Thessalonica on people refusing to work because of their Rapture issues! I've seen discipline done for many different sins. I've never seen it publicly abused, but have known pastors who "modify" it and do it quietly but running people out of the church with it (ignoring steps 3 and 4).

The bottom line is that if a church leader is supporting something clearly sinful, the other elders need to discipline him if he won't change his belief. The biggest problem here is that the NT does not know denominations with supposed authority over a local church. So, the denomination leadership means nothing to Jesus Christ. They have no biblical authority. Local churches are independent entities with elders. Most denominations are already outside of God's sovereign plan to His Church (1 Cor. 1:2). That's why you can expect to see all of their major problems! Either do it God's way or suffer the consequences as they are.

That's why I've never been in a denomination until the Baptist church I'm pastoring at now. BUT, they have nothing to do the denomination anymore. Just an independent church with Baptist in their name. Otherwise, I wouldn't have gone their to help a pastor/friend I've known for 25+ years.

In fact, this is the first church in a denomination that I'd ever recommend. Most denominational local churches are usually filled with unsaved people. Sad to see.

Blessings,

[Garand Hunter]

Hi again Bill, a answer response just as I would expect from you. No issues with you and your response. When I and my family were dealing with church issues I just said Weidersehen and moved on. Auf Weidersehen is German for " Til we meet again " and I just say Weidersehen and drive away. Life is enuff of a mess or good things without church issues. Praise The Lord and pass the ammunition !

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[Dezrat]

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
1John 2:19

[billvau]

Hi again Bill, a answer response just as I would expect from you. No issues with you and your response. When I and my family were dealing with church issues I just said Weidersehen and moved on. Auf Weidersehen is German for " Til we meet again " and I just say Weidersehen and drive away. Life is enuff of a mess or good things without church issues. Praise The Lord and pass the ammunition !

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Another answer you'd expect from me: The church is FAR more important than the individual. In fact, our corporate salvation is written about FAR more often than our individual salvation. What that means is the serving the local body of Christ is first and foremost. Attendance, membership, ministry, fellowship, working through issues, etc., FAR outweigh our personal preferences, comfort, pleasure, priorities, time commitments, etc. We're a body and if you read 1 Cor. 12, especially down around v.25-27, you'll see that when one member suffers we all suffer. That also means that when one member sins we all are hurt. There are reasons for leaving a local church, they really come down to the church not being a valid church from Christ's perspective. Even then we stay longer than we thing we should to try and build a Christ-honoring church.

It's not about me, it's about Jesus Christ, God the Father's church (1 Cor. 1:2) and the Church the Father created and put Christ head over (Eph. 1:19-23).

Blessings,

[Barang]

when a church losses it's authority, Biblical standard and truths, it becomes merely a building where demon spirits reside. like samson and saul, God's spirit departed from them when they rejected His Word.