Dennis Prager: Would this non-Jew hide me?

[socal m1 shooter]

A friend sent me a piece by Dennis Prager which provoked some discussion, and I thought it was perfect for this "faith & guns" subforum here, particularly when I stumbled upon a response over at Ace of Spades HQ.

Seemed to me the writer over at Ace of Spades HQ hit the nail squarely on the head:

Academic exercises are the purview of wealthy societies. And Dennis Prager is obviously a big fan of them. He is most interesting when he discusses the intersection of religious philosophy and morality with everyday life, but here he misses the forest for the trees.

We already know who hid the Jews. It wasn't enough, because the vast majority of European society didn't particularly care about the plight of the Jews, and a large minority embraced the policies of genocide.

Granting the legitimacy of the moral question, it is of very little practical value, because the Holocaust, its aftermath, and the treatment of Israel and Jews by the world for the last 60 years has demonstrated that a far more important question is: How many guns do you have, how much ammo for each of them, and do you know how to use them?

Israel has shown the world that a robust defense is far more important than relying on the kindness of strangers. And the world's reaction to that attitude has exposed the reality that that the world has never forgiven the Jews for not all dying in the Holocaust.

My advice to Dennis Prager is to learn how to shoot, buy some guns, find like-minded Jews (they exist!) and worry less about who will shelter you and more about fighting those who would toss you into boxcars.

And as the events in once free Australia are demonstrating as we speak, the ability to resist government is predicated on force, because that is the ultimate weapon of any government, and no amount of posturing and speech-making and editorializing will counter a government that is willing to use violence against non-violence.

Is there a reason why in America, violent government reactions against our current freedom fighters has been tepid and bureaucratic, unlike the government thugs of Melbourne? Could it be the hundreds of millions of guns and billions of rounds of ammunition in the hands of Americans?

That really resonated, and I also very much enjoyed the comments on that thread over there at Ace of Spades.

Food for thought? I don't follow Prager daily, but if he responds, I'll see if I can find it.

[damon1272]

Meh, Ace of Spades misses the point and it is two folks talking past each other.

Prager is a gun owner and member of Front Sight. Prager contemplates the Old Testament and his comments are on point with respect to the nature of man. The Old Testament and the law is there to show man that you need a savior because all fall short.
Dennis is correct to ask this as the world has always been hostile to the Jew. (except for YSR Racer, being hostile to him is acceptable ��) Even in Christian circles Jews are criticized and blamed for world issues to this day. Human nature is evil. It is only when the Holy Spirit speaks into our lives that we can have a chance to be better.
Dennis is a fairly wise man with respect to God but has spiritual blindness as he will get stuck on certain questions but can’t answer them because he refuses to acknowledge Christ. An example of this is the triune God in Genesis 1:26. A Christian can tell you what the triune God is a Dennis admits that he doesn’t have an answer.
As for the Ace of Spade he is correct just as Christ spoke in Luke 11:21. With reference to an strongman armed will protect his house.

[Barang]

nothing is new under the sun. man behaving the same since the fall in the Garden of Eden. God deluged the earth with only 8 souls surviving it but soon, the population grew and the same corruption filled the earth.

the Bible is the blueprint of how man behaves, revealing if his heart is filled with Christ or satan. two masters to be served with two different destinations.
this time that we live in shows more signs how corrupt minds are making the country more divided, chaos, increasing violence, lawlessness rising, selfishness, lies and suppression of truth, churches and christians falling away from their faith, ungodly people in power promoting ungodly policies and laws, and on and on.

the world is hopeless and the only trajectory is down. trouble, persecution, chaos are inevitable and destruction is coming. to those who hope in Christ, the future is bright and also coming. but for the unbelievers, the expectation to come is the Wrath of God.

[Harry Ono]

The Anti Jews today are not Europeans-Whites or some Nazi group. Far from it, its Arab Muslims, Blacks, Leftists, and their own Reformed Jews. All of these are hostile to Christians and Jews across the board. The best thing a Conservative Jew can do is expose and rebute the Reformist Jews and their Marxist ideology.

[socal m1 shooter]

Meh, Ace of Spades misses the point and it is two folks talking past each other.

I would agree, there is an aspect of this.

Prager is a gun owner and member of Front Sight.

I wonder to what extent this is true. While it may seem that it would be a natural for Prager to be a gun owner, and his 2nd Amendment support is public, I will admit that this was the first I had read about Prager and Front Sight. So I searched, and what I found struck me more like a quid-pro-quo than the testimony of a guy who actually exercises his 2A rights occasionally, or even has a CCW permit. I could be wrong, I have no problem being corrected if so. I respect Prager, own his Genesis and Exodus commentaries, but he's just as capable of being wrong as anyone else, myself included.

Prager contemplates the Old Testament and his comments are on point with respect to the nature of man. The Old Testament and the law is there to show man that you need a savior because all fall short.

He has occasional insights that are very clever, and I'm always happy to learn more about the Old Testament from his commentaries, or from others. But I do believe he elevates rabbinic commentary to a level at least on par with Scripture, which is one of the things Jesus went out of His way to attack the Pharisees and Sadducees over. I also think Prager sometimes expresses a low view of God in his Genesis and Exodus commentaries. I try to be discerning to take the best of what he has to offer and leave the rest.

Not to seem pious, but I have prayed more than once that God would clothe Prager with salvation. I think it would be wonderful if he converted publicly, I would encourage other believers to lift him up in prayer as well.

Dennis is correct to ask this as the world has always been hostile to the Jew. [...]

I have no problem with him asking, and if you read the piece it is perhaps not addressed to everyone as it is to Jews (more to come on this). But that is why I did not think Ace of Spades missed the mark, by much if any.

He does essentially dodge this question in his Genesis commentary. One of my go-to commentaries (Fruchtenbaum) goes into this at length; in the interest of staying on-topic I will avoid digression. Suffice it to say, I think Prager is being disingenuous regarding this verse in his Genesis Rational Bible commentary. It is perhaps a sore subject.

As for the Ace of Spade he is correct just as Christ spoke in Luke 11:21. With reference to an strongman armed will protect his house.

The money question from Prager actually comes at the end of his piece:

I think the Bible is quite clear, God is far from finished with the Jews. Paul's description of them, "having a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge" is an apt description of Prager (and many others). I think Ace of Spades is providing a not unreasonable response to Prager, even if Prager may be looking to provoke thought in the minds of westernized Jews. Many westernized Jews claim to never forget the Holocaust, yet their voting tendencies suggest that they are no better than others who have forgotten the lessons of history, and will be experiencing those lessons instead of learning from the mistakes of others.

[hermosabeach]

If people won't fight- are they worth hiding?

So few belong to JPFO

So many will vote to ban all non hunting items....



If they won't fight to save their skin... why should other risk their skins for them?

[damon1272]

I don’t think Dennis is a rabid 2A guy but he understands why it is there and supports it. https://www.frontsight.com/fsrc53/dennis.asp

I do agree with you in how Paul’s summary of Jews applies to Dennis. It just floors me how close he comes into contact with Christianity but does not accept Christ or acknowledge him as Messiah.

Oh well there is much wisdom in Dennis and he is engaging. He is right about happiness and choosing to be happy but when he strays to far or fails to acknowledge the obvious then I tend to change the station.

[mtenenhaus]

I would argue that the down trodden, the women, the children, the beaten, the old, the sick, the helpless are exactly the ones who we have a responsibility to aid.
The defeat of Poland took something like a month, Hitler took Denmark and Norway during the course of a few days in April, and on May 10 he attacked France, along with Luxembourg, Belgium, and The Netherlands achieving lightning victories not to mention France.
Civilians, Jews and others considered to be sub human were an oppressed minority, beaten, degraded since the late 30s, without arms, employment or institutional support and faced with an overwhelming military force.
What effective form of fight could one invoke when these murderers slaughtered families, women, children and the infirmed like nothing. Kitchen utensils and sharpened sticks pale against such an enemy.…an enemy that plowed though countries like a hot knife through butter.
The U.S. and the Pope/Church had definitive evidence of the slaughter and concentration camps by 1942…and most likely much much earlier….no one entity of significant consequence gave a ****.....sure some exceptionally brave, kind, minority angels and resistance fighters, Lord bless them, tried to do their best but on a real scale, those who could have, those who should have did not.

Hermosa, i don't know you....but if the tables were turned, if you were brutalized, beaten, old, sick i would hope that someone would help you, would defend you...even if you couldn't fight. Maybe one day it would be us....but hopefully you never have to suffer that indignity. (thank you by the way for the Rib recipe!)

[socal m1 shooter]

If people won't fight, are they worth hiding?

So few belong to JPFO. So many will vote to ban all non hunting items....

If they won't fight to save their skin... why should other risk their skins for them?

Your point-- if a group, by and large, doesn't care enough to learn the lessons of history and indicates this with their average voting record, why should someone else risk their life or liberty for them-- is taken. I would like to think Prager would agree with this perspective.

However, there is another facet to history that many overlook. God is sovereign over history, and He made a promise to the Jews in Genesis 12-- "[...] I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse."-- and that unconditional promise is still applicable. I believe the record of history supports this; for example, I don't think it is an accident that the Europeans, who perpetrated much evil against the Jews during WWII, both by commission and by omission, now have wave after wave of Muslims to contend with. God is not mocked; sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

I think Prager is well aware of many lessons of history. For example, I expect he is familiar with the story of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and would be happy if his Jewish readers would draw the same conclusions from that as Prager himself does. How much more could those Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto have extracted from the Nazis who eventually burned them out and killed them had they been armed (like many Americans) prior to the war? More to it, what is the primary reason the Germans declined to invade Switzerland?

That is partly why I thought the Ace of Spades piece was a good response to Prager.

[TrailerparkTrash]

No offense, I didn’t read the OP’s quoted quotes, becasue it’s too long for me right now, as I’m drinking. ..,ain’t got time for reading long comments… but, I will tell you that I would absolutely hide any Jew if 1945 Germany returned.

…we’d fight it out together and we’d never surrender our guns. My grandmother and mother were German. My grandmother served in the German army as a combat nurse in WW1 and met my grandfather there when he was wounded as a German equivalent of a Major. When WW2 came around, my grandmother remembers having to surrender ANYTHING the nazis viewed as a weapon, including knives and a family crest with two old swords.

Today knowing what we know, I wouldn’t surrender Jack siht. …I’d only give a maniac genocidal government my spent bullets.

[Dirtlaw]

Is this the guy that is a tax attorney???

[socal m1 shooter]

Dennis Prager? Or TrailerparkTrash?

[TrailerparkTrash]

Dennis Prager? Or TrailerparkTrash?

[Wordupmybrotha]

The Ace of Spades article misses the point of Praeger's article completely.

It's like on Calguns, OP asks, which one should I get, a Glock 19 or Glock 34 for home defense? And some people respond, get a 1911.

Praeger's article is about identifying who is good.

The Morning Rant's point is that if Jews armed themselves then thinking about who would hide them becomes a moot point. What a flippant comment to Praeger's contemplation.

Two totally different objectives.

[Gundiver]

Stupidest thing I ever read. Jews are the only ones with the power and organization to persecute ANYONE these days.