Can war be righteous?

[CheapBloke]

Rhodesian War can also be considered a righteous war.

This is from an encyclopedia...

The minority Rhodesian government believed they were defending Western values, Christianity, the rule of law and*democracy*by fighting Communists. They were unwilling to compromise on most political, economic and social inequalities. The Smith administration said the traditional chiefs were the legitimate voice of the black Shona and Ndebele population and that the nationalists were dangerous usurpers.

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[Barang]

plenty to read in Old Testament so yes it is. read the story of abraham rescuing his nephew, jericho, samson, david, joshua and caleb just to mention a few.

[CheapBloke]

Well it is not the Pope who did the killing, it was the military.

"Send them to purgatory," "purge/banish evil from the holy land," etc, are common phrases people have said in distant past in our world.

Does these words sound peaceful?

If the Pope told the military to go in our holy land and banish/extinguish all evil, would the military go around doing exorcism?


I'm not saying these exact words were said, but it is a common accepted phrase of our ancestral past of this world.

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[1911RONIN]

Can war be righteous?

The Crusades by Latin Catholic church in the 12th century could be considered righteous war, but in whose eyes?
Torture, and murder of innocent children and women were not uncommon during the Crusades, but can these acts be considered righteous?

guesstimator, opinionator, and commentator.

Justice is a matter of a specific set of principles being adhered to. To ask the question of "whose eyes" is to adopt a form of relativism, which is a logically self-defeating position. If anything can be just, then nothing is in fact just, and the whole notion of justice is an empty concept.

If the pope and the church deviated from such principles, then it was an unjust war. The Pope is not God, nor is he infallible on my view. He could command unjust things and they still be unjust.


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[1911RONIN]

plenty to read in Old Testament so yes it is. read the story of abraham rescuing his nephew, jericho, samson, david, joshua and caleb just to mention a few.

There are righteous grounds for killing, which is why the better rendering of the Hebrew concerning the commandment is "thou shalt not murder".

All murder is killing, but not killing is murder, which is why the two terms are not synonymous.


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[CheapBloke]

Justice is a matter of a specific set of principles being adhered to. To ask the question of "whose eyes" is adopt a form of relativism, which is an logically self defeating position. If anything can be just, then nothing is in fact just, and the whole notion of justice is an empty concept.

If the pope and the church deviated from such principles, then it was an unjust war. The Pope is not God, nor is he infallible on my view. He could command unjust things and they still be unjust.


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In current times, many can clearly see that the Pope is not God or a messenger of God, just an old man in a dress who is trying to get to paradise or heaven.

But during 12th century? To say or believe that the Pope was not a messenger of God would have been blasphemy, possibly even death from your neighbors, friends, family unless you were under another religion/culture like Islam, etc.

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[1911RONIN]

In current times, many can clearly see that the Pope is not God or a messenger of God, just an old man in a dress who is trying to get to paradise or heaven.

But during 12th century? To say or believe that the Pope was not a messenger of God would have been blasphemy, possibly even death from your neighbors, friends, family unless you were under another religion/culture like Islam, etc.

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Of course. But you seem to be implicitly assuming that truth and justice are historically relative, which I categorically reject.


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[Barang]

There are righteous grounds for killing, which is why the better rendering of the Hebrew concerning the commandment is "thou shalt not murder".

All murder is killing, but not killing is murder, which is why the two terms are not synonymous.


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yes! that is why the war and capital punishment questions are in the same neighborhood whether it is permissible by God or not which He already addressed them in Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus ....

[MrBlond]

Why was the Revolutionary War righteous? The Bible says to obey and submit to your leaders, and that rebellion is the spirit of witchcraft.

[Garand Hunter]

Mr Blond, read the Declaration of Independence again. AND, rebellion is AS the sin of witchcraft, read it again. Then read The Mayflower Compact again. # 20 1911 Ronin, correct as to the Hebrew meaning of the word pronounced as Ratsekh, ( Route seck ) To dash in pieces. ie murder.

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[Henry Shooter]

When the Democrats believe it must hide what they are doing undercover
Yes then it is righteous m
I do not agree with this idea
no war is good war unless it’s for independence

[Big bug]

Muslims...believe war is righteous..... JIHAD.....

[1911RONIN]

Muslims...believe war is righteous..... JIHAD.....

Some, and even then not all forms of war. And Jihad means "struggle", which is variously applied, sometimes spiritually or against oppressors. But just war theory is not about what anyone believes to be righteous.


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[DB>]

I'll just throw a curveball here...

There is a "war" in the spiritual realm. That war extends into our "reality".

Good vs. evil. Right vs. wrong. Freedom vs. slavery (Galatians).

Paul described having to each day go to war against his own sinful nature - it starts there. I believe we are all called to "start in Jerusalem" - meaning to exert that fight against sin/evil/wrong/slavery each day right where we ARE, with the tools of the Spirit we are provided with, the Gospel being a powerful tool that makes changes we often cannot fathom.

But I think what you're asking is what are we to do when sin/evil/wrong/slavery comes at us in our earthly realm... I would suggest that if you are prepared per the above, the answers will come more easily and naturally? Fear no evil.

As a believer, this is only a temporary condition, and we know in the end how it comes out. Make your choices in accordance with that, so that you'll have the least amount to be ashamed of when you are called to answer, even though you'll be "covered" in Christ!

[louie]

Islam spread throughout the world via this route. Most of the Middle East, though never Iran/Persia were Christian nations. Turkey was the base of the Eastern Orthodox church until Islam conquered Constantinople. The colonization of Africa, Asia, and yes America had a lot to do w/ religion at times being used as a pretext to "teach the heathens of the true God" Spain, England, Portugal, France, Belgium, and other European countries just like the Muslims used both the sword and the cross to get their points across.