Is The Mark of the Beast from Revelation upon us?

[Burble74]

Apparently Bill Gates is now pushing for a “digital certificate” ,or mark, to brand people who’ve gotten the corona vaccine. Without it, one will not be allowed to partake in business. Sounds an awful lot like the mark of the beast to me.



Any thoughts?

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/bill-gates-calls-for-a-digital-certificate-to-identify-who-is-vaccinated/

Revelation no matter which way it is sliced

https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-17.htm

[CVShooter]

Revelation was about the time it was written in, not about today. All the boogey men in Revelation were alive in the first century and are long since dead.

[eeeeman]

Based on what you shared them maybe this virus is the great deception ?

[damon1272]

No on all accounts.

[brownfeathermedic]

[kel-tec-innovations]

Without this digital certificate tattoo you will be deny access to schools, stores, public transportation etc.

Its the norm in China where you need a QR code proving you have been vaccinated to travel and just move about. Its crazy.

The liberal left are pushing hard for this.

[wpage]

God only knows my man...

[Kokopelli]

Matthew 24:32-34 New International Version (NIV)

that generation.

[Dirtlaw]

Revelation was about the time it was written in, not about today. All the boogey men in Revelation were alive in the first century and are long since dead.

No offense intended, but the Word is eternal. I understand that seems overboard, but sometimes the truth is so important.

[The War Wagon]

Apparently Bill Gates is now pushing for...

COULDN'T care less. He can become Secretary of the Treasury if he wants it bad enough.

[CVShooter]

No offense intended, but the Word is eternal. I understand that seems overboard, but sometimes the truth is so important.

The Word (Logos) is eternal in orthodox Christianity but not the words (text). The Logos is Christ, according to John. The Bible, as we know it, wasn't even compiled and agreed upon for a couple hundred years after John died. The Word becoming flesh isn't the Bible coming to life in the form of Jesus. That would make the holy trinity into a quaternary being (4-in-one).

If you don't know the difference between the Logos and the text, read up on Gnosticism and the gnostic pantheon. John 1 addresses gnostic interpretations of the gospel and is trying to dispel those ideas from Christianity (while also making some concessions -- really interesting stuff). If you know nothing of Gnosticism, you cannot understand John or much of the first couple centuries of Christianity for that matter. This was THE intellectual and theological debate of its day. And it wasn't just in Christianity but also in Judaism and Hellenistic religions as well. Call it a theological corona virus of its time & place, so to speak.

And if you don't know the historical context of Revelation, you cannot understand what John is doing in Revelation. There's way more going on there than a simple reading of the text itself will show you.

Don't forget the 3 most important rules of Biblical interpretation:

1. Context
2. Context
3. Context

[CVShooter]

Every generation thought they were in the "last days." Personally, I think they all hoped that they were. Here we are, 2k years later...

I figure it's like how we all think we're above average drivers or better than average shooters.

"This generation shall not pass..." And they all passed. A very long time ago.

[Kokopelli]

Every generation thought they were in the "last days." Personally, I think they all hoped that they were. Here we are, 2k years later...

I figure it's like how we all think we're above average drivers or better than average shooters.

"This generation shall not pass..." And they all passed. A very long time ago.

Except for the major fulfillment of prophecy that happened in 1948. It is a major marker on the historical timeline.

[CVShooter]

Except for the major fulfillment of prophecy that happened in 1948. It is a major marker on the historical timeline.

Right... You mean that time when a bunch of atheists and agnostics with Jewish ancestry set up a secular, communist state in Palestine because they were fed up with waiting for God's Messiah and figured, "F*&% this! We're doing it ourselves!" The event that Orthodox Jews still don't recognize as a fulfillment of anything? That event?

Orthodox Judaism and its predecessors is looking forward to a theocratic reign brought in by a human being chosen by YHWH to restore the Davidic monarchy. Theodore Herzel, the major leader of the modern Zionist movement was no such man. Neither was David Ben Gurion, their first Prime Minister. Herzel was atheist. Ben Gurion was agnostic. They all set up a democracy, not a theocracy. And the state has been, from day 1, secular. They are WAY more secular than we are. Until you spend some time there, you'll never really get it. It's easy to fantasize about what it is from a distance. It's another ball of wax to live there -- even just for a short while.

So how about that prophecy? John was looking forward to an end of persecution in his time. Times were tough & he was exiled, as you probably know. Christianity, largely just another Jewish sect at the time, was having a hard time. The Jewish leadership rejected them & wanted to hunt them down. The Roman empire thought they were just another treasonous band of zealots & were eager to stamp them out. It's easy to give up hope and John was trying to give them hope by showing them that there were spiritual events happening that were going to ultimately make their struggle worthwhile. Jesus's would return any day and prove them all right. He borrowed from Daniel (pseudo-Daniel) and even from Canaanite mythology (Jesus vs Satan = Ba'al vs Yam). It's a message of hope meant to show how events today would play out if they just hung on a little longer.

You can find similar messages and apocalyptic styles in the Bible itself (Daniel, Zechariah) where the events described are CURRENT events, not really future events. It's even here in the Americas. Read BLACK ELK SPEAKS. I suspect that Black Elk was influenced by Christianity to a large degree, as was Wavoka, the founder of Ghost Dance religion. But I don't know that. Similar situations prompt similar messages of hope mixed with apocalyptic stories. Desperate people need something to hold on to. And when you're face-to-face with the extinction of all that you hold dear, messages like theirs can really help rally the troops.

[Kokopelli]

Right... You mean that time when a bunch of atheists and agnostics with Jewish ancestry set up a secular, communist state in Palestine because they were fed up with waiting for God's Messiah and figured, "F*&% this! We're doing it ourselves!" The event that Orthodox Jews still don't recognize as a fulfillment of anything? That event?

Orthodox Judaism and its predecessors is looking forward to a theocratic reign brought in by a human being chosen by YHWH to restore the Davidic monarchy. Theodore Herzel, the major leader of the modern Zionist movement was no such man. Neither was David Ben Gurion, their first Prime Minister. Herzel was atheist. Ben Gurion was agnostic. They all set up a democracy, not a theocracy. And the state has been, from day 1, secular. They are WAY more secular than we are. Until you spend some time there, you'll never really get it. It's easy to fantasize about what it is from a distance. It's another ball of wax to live there -- even just for a short while.

So how about that prophecy? John was looking forward to an end of persecution in his time. Times were tough & he was exiled, as you probably know. Christianity, largely just another Jewish sect at the time, was having a hard time. The Jewish leadership rejected them & wanted to hunt them down. The Roman empire thought they were just another treasonous band of zealots & were eager to stamp them out. It's easy to give up hope and John was trying to give them hope by showing them that there were spiritual events happening that were going to ultimately make their struggle worthwhile. Jesus's would return any day and prove them all right. He borrowed from Daniel (pseudo-Daniel) and even from Canaanite mythology (Jesus vs Satan = Ba'al vs Yam). It's a message of hope meant to show how events today would play out if they just hung on a little longer.

You can find similar messages and apocalyptic styles in the Bible itself (Daniel, Zechariah) where the events described are CURRENT events, not really future events. It's even here in the Americas. Read BLACK ELK SPEAKS. I suspect that Black Elk was influenced by Christianity to a large degree, as was Wavoka, the founder of Ghost Dance religion. But I don't know that. Similar situations prompt similar messages of hope mixed with apocalyptic stories. Desperate people need something to hold on to. And when you're face-to-face with the extinction of all that you hold dear, messages like theirs can really help rally the troops.