I usually don't post in this thread but

[DaveInOroValley]

For the life of me I cannot understand all the recent support in the news from various companies and individuals as well in regard to abortion.

I truly believe that in the not too distant future society will look back at what was acceptable and wonder what in the world people were thinking. To have these public companies come out and pretty much support it is mind numbing to me.

I personally do understand the procedure if it was needed to save the life of the Mom, but other than that I have a hard time accepting what is currently accepted. I'm hoping for insight from our members here to help me try to understand the current wave out there.

[FresnoRob]

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

[RAMCLAP]

Moloch must have his sacrifice. It is the nature of unregenerate man to sacrifice to false gods. Satan sees to it. The Bible is full of these cases. The Celts did it. Many central and south American tribes did it. It's nothing new. It just sucks to have to sit in the middle of this foul, putrid practice.

[billvau]

For the life of me I cannot understand all the recent support in the news from various companies and individuals as well in regard to abortion.

I truly believe that in the not too distant future society will look back at what was acceptable and wonder what in the world people were thinking. To have these public companies come out and pretty much support it is mind numbing to me.

I personally do understand the procedure if it was needed to save the life of the Mom, but other than that I have a hard time accepting what is currently accepted. I'm hoping for insight from our members here to help me try to understand the current wave out there.

You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning,

[4aces]

the recent wave as you put it, is like a child being told it can't do what it wants to do, so it throws a tantrum. There is no "good" reason for arguing for abortion so they are only left with tantrums. And the anti God media(for the most part) are happy to broadcast all the tantrums, hoping to persuade just a couple more people that abortion is our right as Americans(which it is not). Corporations just stick their fingers in the air and side with the position they think has the strongest wind behind it.

[CVShooter]

Infanticide and even abandonment of the elderly were fairly common for the vast majority of human history. I read of a culture somewhere (don't recall at the moment) that doesn't consider an infant a person until after the first year. Since infant mortality was at about 40% (also the natural infant mortality of just about every wild creature) for most of our history, it makes sense to me that the community wouldn't want to get too invested in a baby until it has shown that it can survive past the first year.

That's all rather detached but it's all sad to me. I don't know of anybody who is really pro-abortion so much as pro-mind-your-own-business. Women have been having abortions long before there were doctors. The modern abortion is a far safer option than what women did for thousands of years prior.

Now if the anti-abortion crowd was out trying to personally adopt as many kids as possible from foster & group homes, living up to their pro-life mantra, I'd be a lot more inclined to bend my ear to what they're saying. That would be saintly & deserving of some attention. It's ironic to me that the "pro-life" crowd is often the most heartless to the living. Oh well. Maybe if there were more abortions, there would be fewer people on generational welfare. I believe that was the guiding ideology of Margaret Sanger & many of the original folks who pushed to get it legalized.

I'm not saying I know what's right either way. I just know, as a guy, it's none of my business. I'll let others decide what is right for them and their families.

[4aces]

You don't know if killing a baby is right or wrong? with respect, I say you are lying to yourself. ignorance of the law is no defense in terrestrial courts let alone the heavenly court. with respect.

[SelfGovernor]

... I personally do understand the procedure if it was needed to save the life of the Mom ...

I used to think this way also. Watch this short video to see why abortion is never needed to save the life of the mother.

https://youtu.be/ysl1tRnk-ig

SG

[DaveInOroValley]

I used to think this way also. Watch this short video to see why abortion is never needed to save the life of the mother.

https://youtu.be/ysl1tRnk-ig

SG

I'll watch that thank you.

[Rizzo]

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What happens to an aborted baby? Instant heaven (e.g. 2 Sam. 12:23).

So, I looked up your Bible reference 2 Sam. 12:23 and this is what I found:
KJV
But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

Instant heaven? I do not see that in that passgae.
Wrong reference?

[CVShooter]

Seriously, we're quibbling over something that is undefined even among Jews and Christians. Here's what a quick google search turned up:

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Ten biblical episodes and prophecies provide an unequivocal expression of God's attitude toward human life, especially the ontological status of "unborn children" and their pregnant mothers-to-be. Brief summaries:

• A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

• The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

• God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).

• Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12).

• King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16).

• Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18).

• For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).

• God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).

• For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).

• Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).

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So the old law even mandated an abortion by divine power if a the child was conceived by adultery. And God cursed people's unborn children to death if he didn't like them. Yea, so much for the sanctity of life.

So, yes, if Jews and Christians can't even agree on when life begins and what lives are sacred vs profane, then I think the government needs to steer clear of the whole issue. They certainly can't resolve it for every other religious creed, the atheists, agnostics, unorganized religions, etc. This is a religious issue, not a political one. The state needs to stay out of it.

Meanwhile a little song started running through my head: "Every sperm is sacred..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ

[Garand Hunter]

In the OT era, death sent persons either to Paradise, or Sheol/Hell. When Jesus was raised from death He took the occupants of Paradise/Abraham's Bosom into heaven, so, depending on where you are in this conversion, yes, aborted babies go immediately to heaven. See what St Paul had to say about this, where he said: He ( Jesus ) lead cativity out of Paradise. Billvau may have more to express on this.

Psalm 1

[tigerpan]

It’s a piss contest, everything started with NY or some state has a new abortion law (abortion up to 9month or 10month, I can’t remember). After that south started the heart beat law.

[4aces]

I appreciate your posts shooter, they make me think. God can do whatever he decides with men (past,present and future) and be perfectly just, because all are guilty. But since you brought up the law, how about the greatest one of all. Love your neighbor as yourself. If you want to say that a fetus is not your neighbor that's on you. Have a good one

[libertyordeath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ

What about jeremiah 1:5