Mel Gibson: Sequel to Passion of the Christ movie.

[Darto]

Jim Cavisiel "the film he's going to do is going to be the biggest film in history. It's that good."

https://movieweb.com/passion-of-the-christ-2-resurrection-story-details-plans/

[Darto]

Caviziel will play St. Luke the apostle, the movie is "Paul, Apostle of the Christ".

[denpython]

Cool!

Better than 'jerry springer- the opera' !

[billvau]

The first movie was a disaster with a completely unbiblical focus. I can't imagine a sequel will be any better. ugh.

[mossy]

The first movie was a disaster with a completely unbiblical focus. I can't imagine a sequel will be any better. ugh.

Calling the first one a disaster is not fair. It won a load of awards, made 600 mil off a 30 mil budget and it is one of the highest grossing non English language films of all time. While it might not be biblical, it was a money printing machine, and the controversy over the film kept it in the news for a good long while.

Left behind 2014 was a disaster.

[nick]

Passion of the Christ II: Return of Christ?

[BigStiCK]

The first movie was a disaster with a completely unbiblical focus. I can't imagine a sequel will be any better. ugh.

I found it very moving, but I'm Catholic so what do I know.

[damon1272]

The first movie was a disaster with a completely unbiblical focus. I can't imagine a sequel will be any better. ugh.

I disagree with respect that it put in a very personal nature the pain and suffering that was inflicted upon Christ for our sins. I am sure it was far worse than what was portrayed. For this alone the movie was successful.

[Sailormilan2]

I disagree with respect that it put in a very personal nature the pain and suffering that was inflicted upon Christ for our sins. I am sure it was far worse than what was portrayed. For this alone the movie was successful.

I agree.

[billvau]

I disagree with respect that it put in a very personal nature the pain and suffering that was inflicted upon Christ for our sins. I am sure it was far worse than what was portrayed. For this alone the movie was successful.

That's the problem. The pain and suffering Christ suffered on the way to death is NOT what paid for our sins. It was His actual death that paid for our sins. The movie focused on the wrong part.

All the pain and suffering of His life only (1) perfected Him (His humanity)(Hebrews 2:10) so that He could be our perfect Advocate/Mediator/High Priest, and (2) qualified Him to be the unblemished lamb (sinless)(1 Peter 1:19) that could defeated death and sin for us. He took ALL that suffering without EVER sinning, and that qualified Him to die for us (1 Peter 2:21-24).

[RAMCLAP]

"By His stripes we are healed". His beating was the Father punishing sin. It very much played a role in payment for sin.

[billvau]

"By His stripes we are healed". His beating was the Father punishing sin. It very much played a role in payment for sin.

Nope, sorry. That's a reference to His death, as is 1 Peter 2:24, 3:18, 4:1, etc. Very common way to say His death in Scripture.

Only His death defeated sin. It was in that moment of death that He became sin (2 Cor. 5:21) on our behalf. Separated from His Father for the only moment in eternity. Since the wages of sin is death, He died to defeat death and sin. Only His death defeated sin.

But, Christ was perfected by His suffering (Heb. 2:10).

[RAMCLAP]

Again, it was all part of taking the punishment for our sins.

[billvau]

The original Mel Gibson movie is about how Christ died, not why Christ died. One of the biggest spiritual problems with the movie is that is provides NO SPIRITUAL CONTEXT (the second big problem is the non-biblical sourcing). In other words, the movie does not give the purpose for the atonement of Christ. It does not tell us why Jesus went to the cross. It doesn’t tell us the glorious outcome of His victory over sin and death! The joy set before Him! The gift we now receive freely! The eternal difference! Jesus Christ goes to the cross and the audience is not told why. Also, the movie does not present the crucifixion as the predetermined plan of God. Many may think Jesus is a victim in this movie. However, God sent Jesus to the Cross (Acts 2:23). Christ gave His life on the cross (John 10:17-18), it wasn’t taken from Him. And, Christ died PRIMARILY to satisfy God (Rom 3:25-26 “propitiation” which means “satisfaction” of God’s righteousness). Yes, the Jews were guilty, the Romans were guilty, you and I were guilty but the idea, the plan, and execution of the plan (pun intended) originated with God before time began!

This movie is nothing more than R-rated violence and not G-rated Gospel (pun intended again!). It is an extreme depiction of Roman death and not the extreme depiction of spiritual death that Christ suffered on our behalf. In all honesty, this movie only portrays a typical Roman execution that occurred tens of thousands of times in Roman history. Think about this. How many times have you given the gospel and focused 99% of your presentation on they physically violent death of Christ?! Rather: how many times have you given the gospel and focused 99% of your time on sin and the need for a Savior and the spiritual reasons Jesus Christ had to be that Savior?

Is the movie emotionally-focused or Cognitively (thinking) – focused? Answer: The movie is emotionally-focused. The movie is entirely made to hit your emotions EXTREMELY HARD and give you nothing to think about spiritually. The biggest comment by everyone who sees it is that this movie is one of the most emotionally-charged movies ever seen – “you experience it, you don’t watch it…it took me days to come down from the experience…still feeling it weeks later…” The tragedy is all those emotions and nowhere to land them! It would better if they had an honest gospel presentation that led to EXTREME CONVICTION and they could land in the joy of a risen Savior! Unfortunately, this is exactly where the Christian-Lite, purposeless-driven church is going today. Stir the emotions with emotional worldly junk and then bait-and-switch them into Christianity! As the church becomes more like the world, this is the common ground they are finding – emotionalism. BUT – what is Christianity? It is cognitive. It takes thinking. Facts THEN feeling. Obey then biblical joy, peace, etc. (the real emotions from deep within as given as a fruit fo the Holy Spirit).

Do you know what the real irony of the movie is? Gibson majored on the minor stuff. No matter how gory and graphic and painful the physical death of Christ was, it does not even compare to the immensity of the spiritual death of Christ for our sins! Gibson told the easy part! The real suffering was (1) God carrying out HIS WRATH ON JESUS until He was satisfied and (2) God turned His back on His Son for the only time in eternity that there was separation in the Trinity! I couldn’t make a movie on the real suffering of Christ because I can’t even fathom how great it was. I do know that the wages of sin is death and that anyone who does not accept Christ as Lord and Savior will spend ETERNITY SUFFERING IN HELL as payment for that sin. How do I even begin to fathom what Christ went through to pay the penalty for all those for whom His blood saves? How do I fathom separation in the Trinity when John 1:1 tells us the Father and Son spent eternity past “face-to-face” in an intimate love relationship? I can’t. My personal opinion is this: Gibson majored on the minors because he does not know what Christ really did on that cross. Gibson didn’t give the context because he really doesn’t know the context. He’s more concerned about trusting a relic in his pocket than trusting the work that Christ really did on the cross. His worldly movie mind was more enthralled with how Jesus died than why. Satan has used him to play to people’s emotions and to turn off their brains to the spiritual realities of the cross of Jesus Christ. Physical death is emotional. Dying for our sins is cognitive and convicting and goes right to the heart where it hurts for the right reasons – unto salvation.

Is this movie theatre or theology? Answer: this movie is theatre. The bottom line is: this movie adds to Scripture. Yes, the Gospels are the “backbone” of the plot line. BUT these mystical, visions books and Gibson’s additions are the meat and flesh put on the bone. Remember what Scripture says about adding to Scripture: Revelation 22:18”I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.” We often preach the gospels saying “I need a good Holy Spirit novelist to fill in the complete story with all the nuances of real life narrative.” But, we don’t got there ourselves and create story that God chose not to give us. We focus on what God focused on – always and only! We never add to Scripture for any reason because of Revelation 22:18-19. The other reason we don’t is the sufficiency of Scripture – we don’t need to (2 Peter 1:3). God didn’t say “wait for the movie!” Peter also told us that he had seen the transfiguration but that we had “the prophetic word made more sure” – that is, we are better off with the word of God than he was seeing the transfiguration (2 Peter 1:17-21).

In addition, the theology is incomplete because of the earlier discussion about the lack of a spiritual context to the movie. There is not enough gospel in this movie to save anyone. Gibson, himself, said he gave twelve hours to the suffering and only twelve seconds to the resurrection. And, this incomplete theology is Catholic theology! It is wrong theology! The movie purposefully ties Christ’s sacrifice on the cross to the last supper by using flashbacks to go back and forth. What do Catholics believe? They believe that at the last supper, Jesus actually changed the bread and wine into His physical body and blood (called “transubstantiation”). They believe that this very same thing happens at communion at every mass ever said. Gibson said that the sacrifice at the altar in mass ad the sacrifice of the cross are the same. The Catholic Jesus did not die ONCE of sin! He dies again and again and again and… They don’t believe Hebrews 9 and Hebrews 10 that tell us that Christ’s ONE-TIME sacrifice was sufficient and need never be repeated. No priest in the Temple ever sat down because the work was never done (hence, no chairs). But Christ sacrificed once and sat down. The work of the cross is finished. Also notice when the movie starts! Ash Wednesday (beginning of Lent). Lent comes from the Babylon mystery religions going all the way back to the tower of Babel! This is pure pagan religion.

The last consideration concerning theology is the Second commandment. Many are not going to this movie because the Second commandment says that we are to make no images of God. There is a debate about whether the purpose of this commandment goes beyond worship to include artistic representations of God. But, the fact is that Gibson intended this movie to be an act of worship. He is the hands of the Roman soldier who holds the nails while the Jesus character is nailed to the cross. He said he was doing an act of penance!

Is this movie Entertainment or Evangelism? Answer: It is entertainment. Evangelism is entirely biblically-based. This movie is not. Evangelism has a message with a context. This movie does not. Evangelism has a complete message. This movie does not because it does not give the purpose of the death of Christ. Catholics and evangelicals alike will leave this movie leave this movie assured in their theology. Evangelism confronts false gospels – Catholics shouldn’t leave with any assurance!

This movie focuses on emotions as all Mel Gibson movies do. Evangelism goes for conviction unto salvation with a complete message of who Jesus Christ is and why he came to die. Gibson wanted to provide gruesome entertainment and did so extremely well. Unfortunately, as said before, he majored on the minors. In his entertainment, he doesn’t come close to the reality of the death of Christ and what really happened on that cross in terms of the major suffering when He took on the wrath of God against sin.

[BigStiCK]

Lighten up, Bill.