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  • justMike
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 753

    Vatican war against Pope Francis

    Very informative long form article on factions and current struggle within Vatican / Catholic church hierarchy.
    Please no reflexive Catholic bashing(I hope) as there are good and bad in all segments of humanity and faith communities.

    The long read: His modesty and humility have made him a popular figure around the world. But inside the church, his reforms have infuriated conservatives and sparked a revolt
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    bootstrap
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2015
    • 1239

    Pope Francis is a globalist anti-Christ.

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    • #3
      TrailerparkTrash
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 4249

      Originally posted by bootstrap
      Pope Francis is a globalist anti-Christ.
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        RAMCLAP
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 2869

        Originally posted by bootstrap
        Pope Francis is a globalist anti-Christ.
        Being in the Reformed Protestant movement I know a lot of people that would agree with you. That said, you should find a better way of expressing it. Lobbing grenades in here can get you perma banned. There are rules.
        Psalm 103
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          billvau
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2016
          • 864

          Originally posted by bootstrap
          Pope Francis is a globalist anti-Christ.
          agree with comment above to not attack.

          Just read another article saying the same thing. Not surprised. He's an outsider to the establishment in Rome. I just wonder if all the things he's saying are consider whatever they call it (ex-Cathedra?) when he claims to be speaking infallibly, thereby creating church doctrine for the RCC.

          I was a Catholic, but left the church when I was saved. 35 years under the pope.
          Pastor Bill

          "Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils [i.e. any man]- my conscience is captive to the Word of God." Martin Luther

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          • #6
            Volksgrenadier
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 597

            Originally posted by billvau
            agree with comment above to not attack.

            Just read another article saying the same thing. Not surprised. He's an outsider to the establishment in Rome. I just wonder if all the things he's saying are consider whatever they call it (ex-Cathedra?) when he claims to be speaking infallibly, thereby creating church doctrine for the RCC.

            I was a Catholic, but left the church when I was saved. 35 years under the pope.
            You nailed it. :-)

            From the First Vatican Council, AKA "Vatican 1".

            "The Roman pontiff when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when he, in the exercise of his office of his supreme apostolic authority, decides that a doctrine concerning faith or morals is to be held by the entire Church, he possesses, in consequence of the divine aid promised him in St. Peter, that infallibility which the Divine Savior wished to have His Church furnished for the definition of doctrines concerning faith or morals; and that definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves, and not in consequence of the Church's consent, irreformable."

            Remember, Vatican 1 was convened by the Pope to address issues of the Church, but also address the pressing 19th century concern of a united Italian nation, and the question of the Papal States in relation to that. It had to answer the challenge of rationalism and liberalism (not the PC variety of today). Funny thing is, the council was never concluded, and the political situation in Italy brought it to a screeching halt. The Old Catholics in Germany, as they became known (Mel Gibson's Catholics) broke with the Church, as did a sect in France/Britain. And pretty much every leader in Europe at the time went "LOL, wut?"

            To the OP's point, Francis is something of an outsider, and with 1700 years of history, politics, money, a Borgia Pope, ceaseless wars, and lots of scandalous behavior, the "swamp" in Rome and among the powerful members of the Curia, is likely pretty deep.
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            • #7
              twidget1995
              Member
              • May 2016
              • 165

              Not really surprising. The problem for the Princes of the Church is that Francis really believes while they are more cynical.

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