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  • Doheny
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Sep 2008
    • 13820

    500 Years Ago this Week...

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    pbsmind
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 527

    Some more info:

    "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot

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      RAMCLAP
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 2869

      In 1450 the printing press was invented. When Luther posted his 95 points of debate, the Two Witnesses that had been killed by Rome came back to life. The New Testament and the Old Testament. The Bible got printed in native languages so that all of the people could have the word of God.
      The Two Witnesses - Then there was given to me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, “Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. Leave out the courtyard which is outside the temple and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations; and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies; and so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way.
      Psalm 103
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        DTENG
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2016
        • 47

        The legacy Luther left is a tragedy.

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          jarhead714
          Calguns Addict
          • Dec 2012
          • 8428

          Originally posted by DTENG
          The legacy Luther left is a tragedy.
          Yes, but it is still our (Catholics) fault to begin with.

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            colossians323
            Crusader for the truth!
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2005
            • 21637

            Originally posted by DTENG
            The legacy Luther left is a tragedy.
            Originally posted by jarhead714
            Yes, but it is still our (Catholics) fault to begin with.
            Wow, the liberty of Christ brought to so many more and you guys are not for that?

            Aren't we supposed to be involved in the building of His kingdom?

            Do you guys even know what the great commission is?

            19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20
            Again I ask, if you take your faith seriously,

            Who are you discipling?
            Who is your mentor?
            Are you going out and reaching the lost and making disciples?
            LIVE FREE OR DIE!

            M. Sage's I have a dream speech;

            Originally posted by M. Sage
            I dream about the day that the average would-be rapist is afraid to approach a woman who's walking alone at night. I dream of the day when two punks talk each other out of sticking up a liquor store because it's too damn risky.

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              RAMCLAP
              Veteran Member
              • Nov 2012
              • 2869

              Originally posted by DTENG
              The legacy Luther left is a tragedy.
              That Rome would not reform itself is not the Legacy of Luther. Pappy could have said, "Shut it Johan. You're not representing our position accurately. Marty you're right".
              Psalm 103
              Mojave Lever Crew

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                DTENG
                Junior Member
                • Mar 2016
                • 47

                I live in a small town in CA. There are at least 30 different churches all claiming to teach the truth. Church splits are the norm because people can't agree on what the truth is. There is no unity. This is one of many tragedies left by the Luther legacy.

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                  RAMCLAP
                  Veteran Member
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 2869

                  Again, the tragedy is Rome's. Not Luther's.

                  Pope Gregory VII: forbade access of common people to the Bible in 1079, since it would "be so misunderstood by people of limited intelligence as to lead them into error."

                  Pope Innocent III: compared Bible teaching in church to casting "pearls before swine" (1199).

                  The Council of Toulouse (France, 1229): suppressed the Albigensians and forbade the laity to read vernacular translations of the Bible.

                  The Second Council of Tarragon (Spain, 1234) declared, "No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses them he
                  must turn them over. . . that they may be burned."

                  In response to the labors of John Wyclif, the English Parliament (under Roman Catholic influence) banned the translation of Scripture into English, unless approved by the church (1408).

                  The Council of Constance (Germany/ Bohemia, 1415) condemned John Hus and the writings of Wyclif because of their doctrine of Scripture and subsequent teachings. Hus answerd: "If anyone can instruct me by the sacred Scriptures. . . , I am willing to follow him." He was burned at the stake.

                  Archbishop Berthold of Mainz threatened to excommunicate anyone who translated the Bible (1486).

                  Pope Pius IV expressed the conviction that Bible reading did the common people more harm than good (1564).
                  Last edited by RAMCLAP; 11-02-2017, 1:14 PM.
                  Psalm 103
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                  • #11
                    colossians323
                    Crusader for the truth!
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 21637

                    Originally posted by DTENG
                    I live in a small town in CA. There are at least 30 different churches all claiming to teach the truth. Church splits are the norm because people can't agree on what the truth is. There is no unity. This is one of many tragedies left by the Luther legacy.
                    Instead of making generalizations, why don't you tell us which Church is not teaching the truth, and what that non truth is? The absolute truth is contained in Gods words, and this would be how one would measure the truth, isn't it?
                    LIVE FREE OR DIE!

                    M. Sage's I have a dream speech;

                    Originally posted by M. Sage
                    I dream about the day that the average would-be rapist is afraid to approach a woman who's walking alone at night. I dream of the day when two punks talk each other out of sticking up a liquor store because it's too damn risky.

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                    • #12
                      damon1272
                      Veteran Member
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 4857

                      Originally posted by DTENG
                      I live in a small town in CA. There are at least 30 different churches all claiming to teach the truth. Church splits are the norm because people can't agree on what the truth is. There is no unity. This is one of many tragedies left by the Luther legacy.
                      There was no unity shortly after Christ was crucified, Paul speaks of this. That said Luther was a great man. Not to Catholic bash but if all their were were Catholic churches I most certainly would not be a Christian. What he did was was huge and I believe in search of God's heart. Luther was a great man.

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