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  • billvau
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2016
    • 864

    Do you Agree? God has given President Trump authority to take out Kim Jong-Un



    What do you think? Apparently, he bases his belief on Romans 13.

    Bill
    Pastor Bill

    "Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils [i.e. any man]- my conscience is captive to the Word of God." Martin Luther
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    Alan Block
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 3090

    I doubt God would greenlight Boy Kim but I am sure he wouldn't use an Azzhat like that to deliver the message.

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      GlockN'Roll
      Veteran Member
      • May 2015
      • 3686

      A better alternative from the same website...

      Real Californian...

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      • #4
        billvau
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2016
        • 864

        Originally posted by GlockN'Roll
        A better alternative from the same website...

        http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/t...talking-about/
        Great article. The big unknown is Kim's response to such a blockade. I don't believe the US would strike first. We'd hopefully knock down their missiles if they struck first. Then, it would interesting to see what our next step would be.

        Thanks for sharing,
        Bill
        Pastor Bill

        "Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils [i.e. any man]- my conscience is captive to the Word of God." Martin Luther

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        • #5
          APeter001
          Member
          • May 2014
          • 305

          Silly. Romans 13 does not imply or assert that any leader has the God-given authority to conquer other nations or assassinate their leaders.
          Of course, God Himself can give this authority, as He gave to the Israelites against the Amalekites, but it's doubtful the American people would go for us killing all the women, children and animals as well.

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            billvau
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2016
            • 864

            Originally posted by APeter001
            Silly. Romans 13 does not imply or assert that any leader has the God-given authority to conquer other nations or assassinate their leaders.
            Of course, God Himself can give this authority, as He gave to the Israelites against the Amalekites, but it's doubtful the American people would go for us killing all the women, children and animals as well.
            Agreed. Romans 13 does not "imply or assert that any leader has the God-given authority to conquer other nations or assassinate their leaders."

            What authority is given to government in Romans 13?
            Pastor Bill

            "Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason- I do not accept the authority of popes and councils [i.e. any man]- my conscience is captive to the Word of God." Martin Luther

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            • #7
              APeter001
              Member
              • May 2014
              • 305

              Originally posted by billvau
              Agreed. ...

              What authority is given to government in Romans 13?
              To govern (regulate) the peoples within its area of jurisdiction, be that a city/county or country (i.e. enforce the local laws and statutes), mete out justice or punishment based on the enforcement of those laws. As Paul indicates, "Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good", so we have to assume that the governing authorities are ruling in accordance with God's laws for this to be a valid statement.

              Now, a ruler is naturally a 'position of honor' and deserving of a certain level of respect for the office itself, even if they are not a 'good ruler'. However, he (Paul) also states "respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed." so a bad ruler may be owed respect for his ability to attain and keep the office, but not honor for having obtained the office through nefarious means (a common way to ascend to office in those days).
              A ruler does not have the authority to usurp God's law or position. -but they do it anyway...

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                Garand Hunter
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2016
                • 2771

                This isn't going to fly very high.......but has any of you on this thread bothered to " ask God if He did or did not give Mr T such authority " ? I myself have not done so. Why not ? I am not currently President of the USA. Just responding to the question asked.

                Psalm 1

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                • #9
                  TrailerparkTrash
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 4249

                  America would be defending herself against L'il Kim. Self defense is a perfectly acceptable concept for the Christian. The Bible is God's Word. (2Timothy 3:26; Hebrews 4:12).

                  Paul needed defense and protection, so he appealed to Caesar (Acts 25:11) as the one who "bears the sword." (Romans 13:4).
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                  • #10
                    RozaShanina
                    Formerly carlosdanger
                    • Jul 2013
                    • 296

                    Divine Right of Kings -- American edition.

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                    • #11
                      Cato
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 5659

                      National leaders have the right to wage war and target their enemies, just as a government has the right to kill criminals.

                      It's not politically correct, but true.

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                      • #12
                        louie
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 1028

                        Again, to those who think it is so easy to take out Kim, do some research on the last time we fought in Korea. As someone who served with Korean Vets, let me tell you, the fight won't be like Desert Storm. It will be more like Vietnam on steroids. The Koreans will fight, and though we will win, thousands if not millions will go to meet their maker on both sides. Our military in Korea is not that large in combat troops, and if the NKA comes over the border the price will be very high. This isn't Syria, or Iraq, but far more bloody and violent. Unless we go nuclear, get ready for a slug fest, with an army of over a million. The best thing would be a coup.

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                        • #13
                          danfinger
                          Member
                          • May 2016
                          • 295

                          Originally posted by billvau
                          http://www.lifezette.com/faithzette/...e-kim-jong-un/

                          What do you think? Apparently, he bases his belief on Romans 13.

                          Bill
                          Eris approves.
                          Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'
                          ― Isaac Asimov

                          Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has.
                          ~Martin Luther

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                          • #14
                            bootstrap
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2015
                            • 1239

                            Originally posted by louie
                            ...The best thing would be a coup.
                            I think that's the route Trump is taking. Arm South Korea with nukes.

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                            • #15
                              thetruecheese
                              Member
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 373

                              Lol. I think discussions of faith are better kept away from justifying nuking a foreign country.

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