Something I have found very Disturbing

[RAMCLAP]

Like many of you I am on many different forums. A particular Christian forum I'm on ran a thread with the subject on sin. To my great shock (maybe I live in a bubble) there were a good many people who claimed that neither they nor any real Christian sins after salvation. That NOT sinning was the sign bearing fruit. I confronted them and they were adamant. If you still sin you are not saved. I guess I'm not saved. Anyone else believe this or ever run into it? I'm fascinated by it.

[Sailormilan2]

RAMCLAP, I was raised in a culture that believed in sin. But, they taught that the way to salvation was to work harder(works?) and that we could attain a perfect, sinless life(ah la Christ) through works.
So, while that may not answer your question, but it gives another perspective.

[psssniper]

Wifes AG grandparents thought the same way. He was an AG pastor btw

[colossians323]

I think these don't understand what they read, nor what they have. Paul says it best.

Romans 7:15-20 (NASB)

15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

[Red-Osier]

1 John, ch1 v8 and v10

[TrailerparkTrash]

1 John, ch1 v8 and v10

Yes, and then continue to read on with 1 John 2:1. It's a biblical acknowledgment that man will continue to sin but....... Jesus will defend us.

[Red-Osier]

Yes, and then continue to read on with 1 John 2:1. It's a biblical acknowledgment that man will continue to sin but....... Jesus will defend us.

Thats why we confess our faults one to another, we are of the flesh One must repent, But we will stumble from time to time, because we are of the flesh.

[71MUSTY]

Yes, and then continue to read on with 1 John 2:1. It's a biblical acknowledgment that man will continue to sin but....... Jesus will defend us.

^^^this^^^ I was raised in a Church of Rules. Break a rule and be damned forever...

At first it was hard for me to grasp salvation thru FAITH. Our salvation is indeed thru Faith not works.

[jemswirl]

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[Doheny]

It sounds like they are misinterpreting what salvation means/is. I think some people make the assumption that His blood washing away our sins means we no longer sin.


Sent from my iPhone so typos to be expected.

[billvau]

Like many of you I am on many different forums. A particular Christian forum I'm on ran a thread with the subject on sin. To my great shock (maybe I live in a bubble) there were a good many people who claimed that neither they nor any real Christian sins after salvation. That NOT sinning was the sign bearing fruit. I confronted them and they were adamant. If you still sin you are not saved. I guess I'm not saved. Anyone else believe this or ever run into it? I'm fascinated by it.

I don't know about the bearing fruit part, but if you study sanctification models, you'll find they're probably following some form of "Perfectionism." The most influential, historically, was Wesleyanism. But you'll find Keswick is popular today (some call it "The Victorious Life"). But there are others too. If I remember right, some have a single act of faith that both saves and sanctifies. Others have two separate acts of faith, one to save, then one to sanctify/perfect. They all are dealing with conscious sins. They don't call unconscious sins "sin" like we do, but believe these "involuntary transgressions" get covered by Christ's mediation and atoning work. That's all I can remember!

You could ask them what their theology is, if they follow a perfectionism movement like Keswick. I could probably look it up in one of my books or journals.

Bill

[rromeo]

My grandmother said that even HITLER could have gone to Heaven, if he hadn't taken his own life.
That was her emphasis.

[Dano3467]

We as mortals will never acquire perfection (sinless) no matter what, we will always be prone to sin, it's in our nature.

Through Christ only we can attain salvation. he knows the above, we should also.

Do you go out of your way to sin, probably not (hopefully) but IMO it still happens sometimes, (we are not perfect) but we try to attain (perfection) this anyway.

In other words, we suck at being divine, but should keep trying.

[Subotai]

There is only one unforgivable sin.

Can you define blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.

Sometimes I feel God can forgive a certain amount of backsliding, but other times I think, God will think, "you ain't serious, boy, be gone from me". How do you know if you are like Paul, i.e., good enough.

[billvau]

There is only one unforgivable sin.

Not owning a gun?