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  • Just Dave
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    • Jul 2011
    • 7259

    Ken Ham question.

    Ran into this this morning I thought it make for some good discussion.

    If “love wins,” as gay “marriage” activists say, then by this line of thinking why shouldn’t “love win” in cases of polygamy, bestiality, and pedophilia?
  • #2
    The War Wagon
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Apr 2011
    • 10294

    Ken's good people. He's a BABDIST, so we disagree on a few things , but as he gets Genesis so completely CORRECT, he really "sets the table" as it were, to understand everything ELSE that follows in The Bible.

    Because if you don't trust God's Word in Genesis, you will get every OTHER word that follows, wrong.
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    • #3
      c4jesus
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      • Sep 2015
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      He's a YEC'er. Nuff said.

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      • #4
        RAMCLAP
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        • Nov 2012
        • 2923

        He seems a decent man and knowledgeable. But, I'm not a young earther, so it's not my bag.
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        • #5
          Just Dave
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          • Jul 2011
          • 7259

          Originally posted by RAMCLAP
          He seems a decent man and knowledgeable. But, I'm not a young earther, so it's not my bag.
          I am, do you want to know why?



          I'll tell ya anyways


          Adam was created a fully functioning full grown human being.


          But...


          He was only 1 day old. Think about that.

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          • #6
            mossy
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2007
            • 7386

            Last I heard, ham's creation museum was in financial trouble. they were advertising an exhibit about dragons to pull in more visitors.

            I am a Buddhist, so i do not live inconsistently. My morals come from the precepts and noble eightfold path.
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            • #7
              RAMCLAP
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              • Nov 2012
              • 2923

              Originally posted by Just Dave
              I am, do you want to know why?



              I'll tell ya anyways


              Adam was created a fully functioning full grown human being.


              But...


              He was only 1 day old. Think about that.
              I have spent much time thinking on that.
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              • #8
                Not a Cook
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 1684

                Originally posted by mossy
                Last I heard, ham's creation museum was in financial trouble. they were advertising an exhibit about dragons to pull in more visitors.
                A little off topic, but what you wrote above isn't true. The Creation Museum and Ark Encounter are doing financially well (for ministries). Some detractors who'd rather not see Ark Encounter ever open have spread rumors about financial troubles, but those are simply rumors. No merit to them.

                As an aside, what many folks started referring to as dinosaurs in relatively recent times are what were historically referred to by cultures around the world as "dragons". As such, Answers in Genesis, the Creation Museum, and the Ark Encounter all deal extensively with dragons because "dragon = dinosaur" (but not to try to pull in more visitors due to some supposed "financial trouble").
                Regarding the 2nd Amendment:
                "...to disarm the people ― that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason ("The Father of the Bill of Rights")

                Regarding Life and Death:
                "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28

                The BIG question: "What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ?" Matthew 27:22b

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                • #9
                  eb47
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 1530

                  Originally posted by Just Dave
                  I am, do you want to know why?



                  I'll tell ya anyways


                  Adam was created a fully functioning full grown human being.


                  But...


                  He was only 1 day old. Think about that.

                  Actually, he didn't become a day old til the day after he had to leave the garden.

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                  • #10
                    Just Dave
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 7259

                    Originally posted by eb47
                    Actually, he didn't become a day old til the day after he had to leave the garden.
                    But that contradicts the first few chapters of Genesis

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                    • #11
                      Not a Cook
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 1684

                      Originally posted by Just Dave
                      I am, do you want to know why?



                      I'll tell ya anyways


                      Adam was created a fully functioning full grown human being.


                      But...

                      He was only 1 day old. Think about that.
                      Good point! No matter how bad my addition is, I simply can't stuff millions or billions of years (or even tens of thousands of years) into the book of Genesis. The time elapsed since creation is properly measured in thousands of years.

                      Reading the Scriptures literally results in a "young Earth creation" interpretation. Unfortunately, "old Earth creation" teaching has spread rampantly throughout the church with no regard for what the Scriptures actually teach. Such errant teaching is a textbook example of eisegetical interpretation (as opposed to proper exegetical interpretation).

                      In case anyone reading this thread is curious about this topic, I'd suggest that you investigate it further for yourself in a few ways. First, study the Scriptures CAREFULLY on this topic for yourself. After that, you may find the research and teaching available from Answers in Genesis (Ken Ham's ministry, www.answersingenesis.org) and at the Institute for Creation Research (www.icr.org) useful in dealing with the supposed conflicts between the scriptural account of creation and science.
                      Regarding the 2nd Amendment:
                      "...to disarm the people ― that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." George Mason ("The Father of the Bill of Rights")

                      Regarding Life and Death:
                      "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28

                      The BIG question: "What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ?" Matthew 27:22b

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                      • #12
                        eb47
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2012
                        • 1530

                        Originally posted by Just Dave
                        But that contradicts the first few chapters of Genesis
                        Where are these scriptures located? Thanks

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                        • #13
                          Just Dave
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 7259

                          Originally posted by eb47
                          Where are these scriptures located? Thanks
                          In the first few chapters of Genesis

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                          • #14
                            RAMCLAP
                            Veteran Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 2923

                            Originally posted by Not a Cook
                            Good point! No matter how bad my addition is, I simply can't stuff millions or billions of years (or even tens of thousands of years) into the book of Genesis. The time elapsed since creation is properly measured in thousands of years.

                            Reading the Scriptures literally results in a "young Earth creation" interpretation. Unfortunately, "old Earth creation" teaching has spread rampantly throughout the church with no regard for what the Scriptures actually teach. Such errant teaching is a textbook example of eisegetical interpretation (as opposed to proper exegetical interpretation).

                            In case anyone reading this thread is curious about this topic, I'd suggest that you investigate it further for yourself in a few ways. First, study the Scriptures CAREFULLY on this topic for yourself. After that, you may find the research and teaching available from Answers in Genesis (Ken Ham's ministry, www.answersingenesis.org) and at the Institute for Creation Research (www.icr.org) useful in dealing with the supposed conflicts between the scriptural account of creation and science.
                            Incorrect. However, off the topic. Start a thread on the topic of creation and then we can have a discussion.
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                            • #15
                              Just Dave
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 7259

                              The History of Creation - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.


                              v3 So the evening and the morning were the first day.

                              v8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

                              v13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

                              v19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

                              v23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

                              v31 So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

                              Chapter 2 is a recap with added detail.

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