John 5:24

[Sailormilan2]

John 5:24 says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation(judgement); but is passed from death unto life."
Does the Greek word krisis "condemnation"(judgement) refer to the act of judging, or to the punishment?

[dominic]

krisis simply means divine judgment. It does have a negative connotation, so perhaps it does have something to do with punishment.

[bounty1]

John 5:24 says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation(judgement); but is passed from death unto life."
Does the Greek word krisis "condemnation"(judgement) refer to the act of judging, or to the punishment?

I believe there is no condemnation to those in Jesus Christ but both the righteous and the unrighteous will be judged by their works.I believe this is what this verse is talking about.There's a lot of fellows here that can give you great insight on this and other scriptures and if I am wrong it will be admonished accordingly by someone more knowledgeable in Christ and I will take the admonishment duly to revise my thought on this by searching the scripture further to reaffirm.


Added: Doheny thanks for pointing out to the above what was not part of the verse>(both the righteous and the unrighteous will be judged by their works)..at times me trying to be a student of the Bible gets me over zealous and without proof that can be bad especially for someone asking questions wanting to learn.Sailormilan2 who asked(Does the Greek word krisis "condemnation"(judgement) refer to the act of judging, or to the punishment?)All I can honestly say is be glad that this will not fall on believers.I know not much of Greek but I do know there are several definitions of the word condemnation in Greek, four being verbs at least four nouns, krisis being a noun and a few adjectives but which one relates to this verse?I know there are some brothers here that can shed more light on this which I would love to hear also......Sailormilan2 search the word till its right in your heart. God will speak to you there.Dont let your ego get in the way of learning from other veteran brothers which are seasoned in the warfare for Christ.Far as my statement which was not part of this verse,I should have used better words to convey my thought than> (both the righteous and the unrighteous will be judged by their works).I should have instead pointed to Romans 14:11.and 2 Corinthians 5:10....and several others which I would love to hear about from the more seasoned brothers, for If we are not willing to hear we are lost.....

[Dezrat]

Bounty: by searching the scripture further to reaffirm

That, my Brother, is Godly wisdom you have there that is sorely rare these days.

[Doheny]

I believe there is no condemnation to those in Jesus Christ but both the righteous and the unrighteous will be judged by their works.I believe this is what this verse is talking about.There's a lot of fellows here that can give you great insight on this and other scriptures and if I am wrong it will be admonished accordingly by someone more knowledgeable in Christ and I will take the admonishment duly to revise my thought on this by searching the scripture further to reaffirm.

I don't see anything in that verse that alludes to us being judged by our works. Rather, to me it says that those who believe in Him have already been assured of everlasting life.

But that's just how I see it.

[bounty1]

I don't see anything in that verse that alludes to us being judged by our works. Rather, to me it says that those who believe in Him have already been assured of everlasting life.

But that's just how I see it.

You are right and tomorrow I'm going to revise my post and should have explained better with related scripture what I was trying to get across.

[Doheny]

You are right and tomorrow I'm going to revise my post and should have explained better with related scripture what I was trying to get across.

Great, I look forward to it. I figured you may have meant something else.

[bounty1]

I believe there is no condemnation to those in Jesus Christ but both the righteous and the unrighteous will be judged by their works.I believe this is what this verse is talking about.There's a lot of fellows here that can give you great insight on this and other scriptures and if I am wrong it will be admonished accordingly by someone more knowledgeable in Christ and I will take the admonishment duly to revise my thought on this by searching the scripture further to reaffirm.


Added: Doheny thanks for pointing out to the above to what was not part of the verse>(both the righteous and the unrighteous will be judged by their works)..at times me trying to be a student of the Bible gets me over zealous and without proof can be bad especially for someone asking questions wanting to learn.Sailormilan2 who asked(Does the Greek word krisis "condemnation"(judgement) refer to the act of judging, or to the punishment?)All I can honestly say is be glad that this will not fall on believers.I know not much of Greek but I do know there are several approaches to the word condemnation in Greek, four being verbs at least four nouns, krisis being a noun and a few adjectives but which one relates to this verse?I know there are some brothers here that can shed more light on this which I would love to hear also......Sailormilan2 search the word till its right in your heart and reprove it daily. God will speak to you there.Dont let your ego get in the way of learning from other veteran brothers which are seasoned in the warfare for Christ.Far as my statement which was not part of this verse,I should have used better words to convey my thought than> (both the righteous and the unrighteous will be judged by their works).I should have instead pointed to Romans 14:11.and 2 Corinthians 5:10....and several others which I would love to hear about from the more seasoned brothers, for If we are not willing to hear we are lost.....

revised humbly.........

[Just Dave]

It's interesting that both righteous and unrighteous will be judged by their works.
When you study closely you will find that those of faith (righteous) will have a different form of judgement by works than the lost (unrighteous).
Those who are justified and live by faith will be rewarded by Christ for those things that were done for Christ, the rest of those works will come to nothing.
The righteous will stand before the bema seat of Christ and be rewarded https://bible.org/article/doctrine-r...at-bema-christ

Those who reject Christ will be judge with a judgement to condemnation for their sins (their works of inequity), that's their reward.

I hope this helps.

Edit: Reading the OP the point that I'm trying to make is that judgement isn't necessarily a bad thing, however condemnation is, Jesus is speaking of a judgement (determine if a set standard is met) towards condemnation (punishment when the standard is not met) in that verse.

[Dezrat]

Yes, The referencing to Rom14:11 and 2Cor5:10 is absolutely relevant to the subject of "believer's judgement", along with 1Cor3:11-15.
Judgement as evidenced by "Krisis" and it's varied forms derived from the same Greek root word infer judgement in the negative sense. Sometimes inferring "temporal" judgement, as when we're instructed to "judge with righteous judgement", other times. as in Jn5:24, in the final, or binding sense. It depends on the form derived from the root which I won't belabor here but instead encourage exploring a good concordance. Context is all important too.
The word we see rendered as "judgement(judgement seat)" in Rom14, 2Cor5 is "bema" which was in Greek culture the "awards platform" at sporting events at which victorious contestants were given awards. Believers will never themselves be judged, but these scriptures make it clear that their works will be, not for the purpose of condemnation, but for the purpose of eternal rewards. This is what caused Paul to declare that he "pressed on(strive) towards the prize.... In Christ Jesus". Was his salvation the prize in his eyes that he felt he needed to strive to attain? Not if we read everything else Paul and the rest of the Scriptures have to say. He was well aware of the available eternal rewards and he pressed on with those in his view(Mat5:19 is also quite thought provoking).
Sometimes it's confusing to see the various times "judgement" appears before us in scriptures, and in it's various ways. An understanding of the whole issue of eternal rewards available to the Believer goes a long way in understanding a lot of passages that can be confusing if not quite troubling to many to the point of even doubting their security in Christ, which is always a sad thing in my view. Makes it pretty hard to rejoice always, as we're instructed to do......
A concordance is helpful. But as always, the best commentary on any portion of the Scripture is the rest of the Scripture. And the only proper context to view any portion of Scripture in is within the context of the entirety of Scripture. Be Blessed!

[Dezrat]

In reflecting on the OP's original question, it's given rise to some relative questions within myself. I wonder if we better perceive God's nature by acknowledging "judgement" at it's face value without trying to infer "punishment" upon it? Are God's actions a product of his righteous judgement, nothing more and nothing less? Maybe it's inferring a nature upon him that he may not possess to think of the process, or results, of righteous judgement as "punishment" as opposed to "consequence"? I know it would be my nature to "punish", but is it His? Can't say I have a quick answer to that. I don't mean to confuse the issue, but just to provoke some contemplation, it has in me.... Are consequences the same as punishment? Am I uselessly rambling and it makes no difference? So many questions!