Why I couldn't be Catholic

[bigmike82]

New in the sense that most Pontiffs don't inject themselves into matters that stray that far from biblical matters. I.e.- global warming, gun control, etc...

Horsecrap. The Pope is the head of the single biggest Christian church in history. It's his job to lead his flock, and that means giving guidance in matters that aren't strictly religious.

Is it really that tough to accept that we are charged with caring for God's creation? You think God will be happy that we took his paradise and poisoned the air? Burned the oceans? Killed his animals?

It's obviously not stated from a position of religious authority, but it kinda makes sense.

You people are ridiculous sometimes.

[Ferrum]

It was BXVI. He was referred to as the green pope.
But JPII started with the green-vatican-UN deal.
Francis sealed it with an encyclical.

http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/inde...new-encyclical

When you troll, it makes people look at your history... Goodbye CZDiego/Gotmittuns.

Horsecrap. The Pope is the head of the single biggest Christian church in history. It's his job to lead his flock, and that means giving guidance in matters that aren't strictly religious.

Is it really that tough to accept that we are charged with caring for God's creation? You think God will be happy that we took his paradise and poisoned the air? Burned the oceans? Killed his animals?

It's obviously not stated from a position of religious authority, but it kinda makes sense.

You people are ridiculous sometimes.

Please define you people?

[Just Dave]

Civil discussion is fine... Bashing the Pope is not. I'm Catholic, no I don't agree with his newly injected political views. With that said, I could argue all day about his new positions without disparaging the Pope.

Although you may not agree, please remain respectful.

In this case this Pope really stepped in it and I don't think he's through.
I'm hoping for some blow back from people within the RCC.

[Ripon83]

So will the Catholic Church ride out this pope and make sure he is replaced with someone that won't politic from his position of influence or is this new support of leftist rulers going to be a permanent thing?

[Untamed1972]

I get what he said but I think he was lumping the entire gun industry as a whole and not separate individuals. You can't knowingly manufacturer a rifle used to kill a human (murder) and call yourself a Christian. Like you can't call yourself a Christian and be pro-baby killing or pro-homosexual.

Problem is, self-defense is biblical and Jesus said nothing about sporting use of weapons, BUT HE also did not have an issue with weapons, or HIS Apostles would not have carried them. PLUS, the pope is not taking into account the individual.

The Church is corrupt like most churches have always been.

So all those guns carried by the Vatican guards and police are just for sporting purposes? Can I expect to see all of them disarmed next time I visit?

That would also seem to be at odds with the Church's stance in the Catechism about Gov'ts being given authority by God to rule, and that one would be obligated to support and defend the state. So those military weapons are not for the purpose of killing people? Or is it not murder to kill in war?

[e90bmw]

God helps those that help themselves.
If the time of a crisis if you are given the tools to protect yourself and you don't you are crazy.

It is your duty and obligation to protect your family.
Guns are not necessarily offensive, most often they are defensive.

I'm not Catholic and the Pope is an idiot. There, I said it.

[Wordupmybrotha]

Dennis Prager was right that Pope Francis is a leftist.

Article from Jan 2015:

http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2015/01/06/pope-francis-the-climate-and-leftism-n1938994/page/full

Defenders of Pope Francis note that Pope Benedict, too, spoke eloquently about man's obligations to protect nature. That is true. And it is irrelevant. First, he issued no encyclical on the issue; his encyclicals were, like almost every papal encyclical, non-political. Second, everyone knows we have an obligation to care for the planet. But caring for the planet has as much to do with left-wing environmentalism as protecting workers had to do with Communism.

By all accounts, Pope Francis is a wonderful man. Conservatives understand that good people can hold left-wing positions. If only bad people held left-wing positions, leftism wouldn't be the world's most dynamic religion.

Unfortunately, however, being a wonderful person doesn't mean you will be a wonderful pope. Any Catholic who tweets, "Inequality is the root of social evil," as Pope Francis did last March, should be a socialist prime minister, not a Christian leader. The moral message of every Bible-based religion is that the root of evil is caused by poor character and poor moral choices, not by economics. The pope's tweet is from Marx, not Moses.

[Frotz]

Clearly this pope has little to no understanding of the concept of "All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.". What does he expect good men to use to defeat evil? Strong words?

[MJB]

I don't get why bashing the pope is bad?

You do know he's human right????

[FatCity67]

Kinda seems like something you would expect out of the mouth of the Pope. Given Jesus's teachings in the scriptures.

If any of you arnt thinking about conversion why even bother posting or starting a thread like this one? Just to take some digs at those of us still faithful to our Catholic Religion and the leader of our church?

That in and of itself seems UN Christian like to me.

Or if this is a political statement thenyou could have just added your thought to the thread already going in Off Topic.

Bravo, feel better now?

[WASR10]

Taking digs is one thing, expressing disagreement is another. As a Christian, I take umbrage when someone claims that a person cannot call himself a Christian for an activity that is not scripturally sinful, disobedient, or un-Christian like.

[bigmike82]

Man, where are the anti-troll crusaders in this thread?

The mere mention of bacon creates some nice moral outrage, but bashing the pope results in silence.

Funny that.

[vintagearms]

So all those guns carried by the Vatican guards and police are just for sporting purposes? Can I expect to see all of them disarmed next time I visit?

That would also seem to be at odds with the Church's stance in the Catechism about Gov'ts being given authority by God to rule, and that one would be obligated to support and defend the state. So those military weapons are not for the purpose of killing people? Or is it not murder to kill in war?

The purpose of my post was to show the Vatican's wrongful opinion. We are in agreement.

[The War Wagon]

I'm looking forward to hear from the Catholic Calgunners.

My LCMS Pastor has his LTCF, and builds his own AR-15's.

500 years later, and we're STILL kicking butt!

[mossy]

Man, where are the anti-troll crusaders in this thread?

The mere mention of bacon creates some nice moral outrage, but bashing the pope results in silence.

Funny that.

not surprised, people can be very biased.