Muslim Judge Tells a Christian How to Preach Out of the Bible About Homosexuality

[Not a Cook]

To make sure things are interesting, this post involves: the U.K.; a Muslim judge; a Christian street-preacher; Bible verses; and the issue of homosexuality. Warning: in case you didn't notice, this post is posted in the "Discussions of Faith" subforum, not OT.

Britain and other European nations often "pave the way" for the U.S. regarding all sorts of strange, sad happenings in the church and related matters, including governmental interference in the church. The articles I'll link to below report about another sad example of something that very likely will occur here in our country before too long.

Here's are links to two articles about this sad occurence:

• http://www.christianconcern.com/our-...blic-preaching
• http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/judge-con...g-bible-verse/

In brief, the article reports that a Muslim, British judge fined a street-preacher because of the specific verse that the street-preacher referenced. The judge went so far as to note that the street-preacher could have used a different verse (presumably without resulting in a fine), but took exception with the specific verse that the street-preacher did use.

Questions to start us out:

• How long do you think it will be before we're reading about something similar happening here in America?
• How long before some American judge dictates what verses a Christian is allowed to cite or believe?
• How long before you (or someone you know) gets convicted for proclaiming what the Scriptures teach?
• What would you have done if you were in Mr. Overd's place?

[mossy]

To make sure things are interesting, this post involves: the U.K.; a Muslim judge; a Christian street-preacher; Bible verses; and the issue of homosexuality. Warning: in case you didn't notice, this post is posted in the "Discussions of Faith" subforum, not OT.

Britain and other European nations often "pave the way" for the U.S. regarding all sorts of strange, sad happenings in the church and related matters, including governmental interference in the church. The articles I'll link to below report about another sad example of something that very likely will occur here in our country before too long.

Here's are links to two articles about this sad occurence:

• http://www.christianconcern.com/our-...blic-preaching
• http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/judge-con...g-bible-verse/

In brief, the article reports that a Muslim, British judge fined a street-preacher because of the specific verse that the street-preacher referenced. The judge went so far as to note that the street-preacher could have used a different verse (presumably without resulting in a fine), but took exception with the specific verse that the street-preacher did use.

Questions to start us out:

• How long do you think it will be before we're reading about something similar happening here in America?
• How long before some American judge dictates what verses a Christian is allowed to cite or believe?
• How long before you (or someone you know) gets convicted for proclaiming what the Scriptures teach?
• What would you have done if you were in Mr. Overd's place?

1-well it could happen, that does not mean the ruling will withstand appeals. this is the USA, not the UK.

2-same as number 1. a judge can rule however he or she likes, that does not mean his ruling will stand when appealed to a higher court........something like this would go straight to the supreme court before it was settled. also this case does not deal with what a person is allowed to believe, the issue was the guy was publicly shouting his beliefs at other people.

3-never, i don't "street preach" and even if i did what would i yell? "you don't absolutely need the new iphone" or "follow the eightfold path or dont, its your choice". my family, (Christians) don't street preach so never for them either.

4-realized that the UK has touchy laws when it comes to publicly proclaiming controversial topics.

i don't like aggressive street preachers but i realize they have a right to be out in public. so if they want to spend their time yelling at people its their time so they can do whatever they want with it. i dont know how UK courts work but i assume they have an appeals process, so eventually the ruling will probably be reversed.

[spamsucker]

There is no such thing as freedom of speech in the UK. The comparison to the way things work in the USA is completely flawed as we have a system that's meant to counteract that kind of stupidity. It's not a perfect system but it works.

That said, the system is still there but it's fraying. I see quite a lot of localities and states in the USA doing this sort of thing (and the fed too) and it takes a while but their most serious nonsense is normally struck down in court. The stuff that does the most damage is the continual picking of the victim of the day and then applying social and legal pressure that biases toward whatever that victim class is. That just deprives justice to those that aren't in the victim class. A few years ago it was gays, then the weak (bullied), then it was people with busted gender identities, then it was muslims and now were back to gays again.

Inasmuch as the judge has done wrong it's not controlling what the message is. It's thinking the justice system should be having any say in a matter of consensual dialogue between adults where no threats are made or other crimes committed. The judge being a muslim is irrelevant too. If he held to the stereotype he'd have not done the quintessentially british thing and punished the guy for benign (if irritating) speech. He'd have fined the guy for not beheading the homosexual. So islam is irrelevant to the discussion. It's Britain being a totalitarian state in the guise of a democracy that's relevant and the interesting feature is that a muslim judge acted so perfectly british.

[mossy]

on the flip side, another street preacher in the UK was awarded 13,000 after the police arrested him on the same public order offence as Mr. Overd's.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2593217/Christian-preacher-wins-13-000-wrongful-arrest-telling-gay-couple-Bible-says-homosexuality-sin.html

[spamsucker]

Now that's epic funny right there.

[Bloodyshoe]

I'm not an expert but I understand that the UK does not have near the same respect for free speech that we have. To the point where journalists save controversial stories on servers in the US, even when the story is unfavorable to the US.

[Sailormilan2]

After some of their recent decisions, I don't trust anything that comes from British courts.

[spamsucker]

I'm not an expert but I understand that the UK does not have near the same respect for free speech that we have. To the point where journalists save controversial stories on servers in the US, even when the story is unfavorable to the US.

Like I said, there is NO SUCH THING as freedom of speech in Britain or any of the lands where Queenie is still the (ceremonial) head of state. You can go to jail for offending someone with spoken words which are not threatening. Call someone <slur> and you're in the pokey.

[Packer]

No one really cares what street preacher rants about here, its hot air, a guy lost in his own world, expressing himself, and its almost always an issue of ego, not faith.

In the UK theres less freedom of speech however they have much more respectful libel and slander laws....not a bad trade off.

[Just Dave]

No one really cares what street preacher rants about here, its hot air, a guy lost in his own world, expressing himself, and its almost always an issue of ego, not faith.

In the UK theres less freedom of speech however they have much more respectful libel and slander laws....not a bad trade off.

God's word will not return void. Isaiah 55:11

[Chewy65]

There is not enough information to judge the judge. It may not be that the man quoted the Bible, but that he did so in a manner calculated to incite murder. Stating a belief that a homosexual will burn in purgatory is not the same as advocating that they be put to death.

[QQQ]

There is not enough information to judge the judge. It may not be that the man quoted the Bible, but that he did so in a manner calculated to incite murder. Stating a belief that a homosexual will burn in purgatory is not the same as advocating that they be put to death.

Burn in purgatory? Pretty sure that's not in Leviticus.

[bohoki]

eh seems like according to the bible its just as bad to be gay as it is to shave off your sideburns

[steadyrock]

eh seems like according to the bible its just as bad to be gay as it is to shave off your sideburns

This is where it helps to understand the entire Bible.

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. (*Matthew *5:*17 NASB)

[mif_slim]