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  • zombiescanlearn
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 1942

    CCW Question for LEOs - thanks in advance

    If a person is LTC, the law is that you must inform the LEO that you have a CCW when "official" contact is made between the LEO and the LTC.

    So, here is the scenario. The LTC meets up with the LEOs as a task force to exercise a warrant for something on someone else. So, the LTC is working with the LEOs. Does he/she need to inform the LEOs of the CCW?

    To me, that isn't official contact pursuant to the law. and the LTC does not have to tell the LEO of the CCW. Am I wrong?

    Thanks.
  • #2
    NiceGuyInSanJose
    Member
    • May 2012
    • 150

    I am not a LEO, but...

    I'm Confused... in what possible situation would a civilian (with a LTC) be part of a task force to serve a warrant??

    And... Hell Yes!! if you are going through the door with the cops, they damn well better know you are carrying... that is about as "Official" as it gets !

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    • #3
      mixicus
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2009
      • 624

      OP,

      You need to be specific about where the LTC was issued. Various counties may have additional requirements. For instance, Orange County (CA) has a term in the license acknowledgement stating "If contacted by a sworn peace officer for any reason, license holder shall immediately show their CCW license as proof that they are carrying a concealed weapon." Even if holding to "official contact"; I agree with NiceGUY, if you are working with LE in the field...that's "official".

      If a non-agency LTC holder is working with me (say a locksmith or computer tech) during a warrant sevice, I want to be informed of CCW. I'm not sure how much trust I would have in any potential future working relationships with that person as compared to another service provider.

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      • #4
        flyerq68
        Member
        • Sep 2014
        • 119

        It is not a "law" that a person with a CCW "must" inform a LEO upon contact. That is a policy left up to the issuing agency. I live in a county that does not require it.

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        • #5
          CSACANNONEER
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          • Dec 2006
          • 44093

          Not a LEO but, I do teach CCW classes. I am unaware of any law requiring notifying LEOs however, some IAs require it as a condition to issuing their permits. Some IAs request notification and some do not.
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          • #6
            CBR_rider
            Veteran Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 2687

            If the conditions on your permit require you to disclose (the Penal Code does not); I would...
            Originally posted by bwiese
            [BTW, I have no problem seeing DEA Agents and drug cops hanging from ropes, but that's a separate political issue.]
            Stay classy, CGF and Calguns.

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            • #7
              kjv146
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 897

              This post is somewhat confusing.

              But if you're "meeting up with the LEOs as a task force to exercise a warrant for something on someone else," and have to draw said concealed firearm, you better hope the LE there knows you're carrying. Otherwise you may quickly find yourself full of holes.

              If you're really going to be a part of a task force against someone with a warrant as a citizen....... yeah man, this is an interesting question to say the least. I can't help but think it would benefit you if you came forward that you are carrying. If you do have to draw and fire, seems like it'd a huge fuster cluck for all involved.
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              • #8
                Librarian
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                • Oct 2005
                • 44641

                Think, perhaps, of a property owner or representative, going along to secure property, change locks, whatever after LEO execute a raid on the property that might leave it unoccupied (as all the occupants are riding the black and white taxis) and/or damaged.
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                • #9
                  CBR_rider
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 2687

                  Originally posted by Librarian
                  Think, perhaps, of a property owner or representative, going along to secure property, change locks, whatever after LEO execute a raid on the property that might leave it unoccupied (as all the occupants are riding the black and white taxis) and/or damaged.
                  I was thinking perhaps as a locksmith/special master once the location was secured.
                  Originally posted by bwiese
                  [BTW, I have no problem seeing DEA Agents and drug cops hanging from ropes, but that's a separate political issue.]
                  Stay classy, CGF and Calguns.

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                  • #10
                    WyattandDoc
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 767

                    I don't care what the law says, if you're "working" with me in ANY capacity, you damn well better divulge. If the SHTF and I find out later you were CCW, you're gunna get a size 12 boot up your arse.
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                    • #11
                      003
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 3436

                      OP, please understand, it is not my intention to be either rude or patronizing, but I cannot under any circumstances see any situation where a law enforcement officer would allow any non LE to participate it serving a search warrant, or be anywhere close/near the location. It just would not happen.

                      If someone has an a legal interest (locksmith, resident, renter, property manager, etc.) in the location where the warrant is served, I can see a situation where that person is at the command post or other safe location well away from where the search warrant is being served, and once the location is secured allowed to enter. Actively participate or be anywhere close to the danger zone. Never happen.
                      Last edited by 003; 02-09-2015, 4:35 PM.

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                      • #12
                        RickD427
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                        • Jan 2007
                        • 9263

                        Originally posted by 003
                        OP, please understand, it is not my intention to be either rude or patronizing, but I cannot under any circumstances see any situation where a law enforcement officer would allow any non LE to participate it serving a search warrant, or be anywhere close/near the location. It just would not happen.

                        If someone has an a legal interest (locksmith, resident, renter, property manager, etc.) in the location where the warrant is served, I can see a situation where that person is at the command post or other safe location well away from where the search warrant is being served, and once the location is secured allowed to enter. Actively participate or be anywhere close to the danger zone. Never happen.
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                        • #13
                          afteractionreport
                          CGSSA Leader
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 2854

                          Thread Jack: if a CCWer gets stopped and he informs the LEO that he's CCW does the LEO pull out the weapon for all the looky lous to see?

                          Like for example if you were to have some sort of argument with a neighbor and 911 was called. Now the whole neighborhood knows you carry...

                          Just wondering....
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                          • #14
                            CSACANNONEER
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                            • Dec 2006
                            • 44093

                            Originally posted by afteractionreport
                            Thread Jack: if a CCWer gets stopped and he informs the LEO that he's CCW does the LEO pull out the weapon for all the looky lous to see?

                            Like for example if you were to have some sort of argument with a neighbor and 911 was called. Now the whole neighborhood knows you carry...

                            Just wondering....
                            It depends on the officer. Some will draw their weapons and make a "felony stop", disarm and cuff you. Some will smile and ask you not to reach near it while in their presence. It's really a crap shoot.
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                            • #15
                              zombiescanlearn
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 1942

                              Originally posted by WyattandDoc
                              I don't care what the law says, if you're "working" with me in ANY capacity, you damn well better divulge. If the SHTF and I find out later you were CCW, you're gunna get a size 12 boot up your arse.
                              You're right. Thanks.

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