Hi Cap Mags for a Reserve LEO

[gotthelife4u]

Can anyone give me some insight if Reserve Police Officers can purchase Hi Cap magazines. I am a Reserve with a Bay Area Police Department and I would like to get 17rd mags for my M&P 9mm which I will be carrying for duty use. I have talked to a few local gun shops over the phone and 44mag.com. They all said I cannot because per California Law Reserve Police Officers are not considered Police Officers.

I think they are all incorrect but I have been getting so many different answers I was hoping to find someone on here that has some experience in this area. Any help is greatly appreciated.

[ToxicWaste]

Have you consulted your supervisor or local law enforcement?

[Spyder]

Don't have an answer, but love the Pip Boy avatar.

[Ron-Solo]

Yes, they can. You need to talk with a gun store that specializes in LE sales.

[ryang]

You're a Reserve and you don't know how to read california's penal code or ask your chain of command?

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(20) The sale to, lending to, transfer to, purchase by, receipt of, or importation into this state of, a large-capacity magazine by a sworn peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of his or her duties.

830. Any person who comes within the provisions of this chapter and who otherwise meets all standards imposed by law on a peace officer is a peace officer, and notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person other than those designated in this chapter is a peace officer.

830.6 (a) (1) Whenever any qualified person is appointed by the proper authority as a reserve police officer, and is assigned specific police functions by that authority, the person is a peace officer, if the person qualifies as set forth in Section 832.6. The authority of a person designated as a peace officer pursuant to this paragraph extends only for the duration of the person's specific assignment.

[Ostrey]

You're a Reserve and you don't know how to read california's penal code or ask your chain of command?

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any of the following:
(20) The sale to, lending to, transfer to, purchase by, receipt of, or importation into this state of, a large-capacity magazine by a sworn peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2 who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of his or her duties.

830. Any person who comes within the provisions of this chapter and who otherwise meets all standards imposed by law on a peace officer is a peace officer, and notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person other than those designated in this chapter is a peace officer.

830.6 (a) (1) Whenever any qualified person is appointed by the proper authority as a reserve police officer, and is assigned specific police functions by that authority, the person is a peace officer, if the person qualifies as set forth in Section 832.6. The authority of a person designated as a peace officer pursuant to this paragraph extends only for the duration of the person's specific assignment.

Thats called getting owned.......

[code33]

Yes, reserves can purchase large capacity magazines.
Start reading from Page 5 of the following issue of the CRPOA newsletter; Page 6 will be a memo from DOJ addressing this.

http://crpoa.org/pdfs/BACKUP_magazine/backup-final-spring2010.pdf

Local cop shops to buy from include LC Action in San Jose and Adamson in Hayward; should not have a problem.

Online, botachtactical.com; place the order and fax in your dept ID with your order number.

[kel-tec-innovations]

You are sworn in

[code33]

One more thing... Join the CRPOA if you haven't already!!

[mej16489]

You're a Reserve and you don't know how to read california's penal code or ask your chain of command?

12020.

You're a LEO and you don't know how to quote the current penal code?

[NorCalPatriot]

I'm a reserve for a east bay department and live in the San Jose area. I have had no problems getting high cap mags at Bay Area Gun Vault, LC Action, and Reeds by providing a copy of my department ID.

I've purchased handgun and rifle mags with no questions asked. Online vendors will do business with you if you contact them directly and send them a scanned copy of your department ID. If they don't, find another vendor that will... there's plenty out there.

Only downfall to ordering from local vendors is you are paying top dollar for everything. The online prices are way cheaper if you are patient and shop around.

NCP

[code_blue]

CA Law and LEOSA considers RO's as Peace Officers, but there are agencies that have policies against RO's being sworn 24/7. Some may even consider RO's "citizen volunteers".

I suppose these agencies look at it based on what level RO you are and the level of training that you've had. RO Level III's have very basic training from Module III and I can see why agencies would place restrictions. Recruits aren't exposed to chemical agents until Module II and it's important to know how you would react to exposure if you had to deploy it.

I would confirm your agency's policies, but if you have a badge and LE ID then you shouldn't have any problems.

[Shumba]

Recruits aren't exposed to chemical agents until Module II and it's important to know how you would react to exposure if you had to deploy it.
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Wrong in OC. OCSD academy loves to test expired chemical agents on all levels (I, II and III) of reserves. I can tell you firsthand that **** still hurts even after its expiration date! The only reserves for OCSD who are full time 24/7 LEOs are Level 1D. All others (I, II, III) are only LEO while on duty. Even though we can legally carry under LEOSA, department policy requires a CCW while off duty unless you are a level 1D reserve. Those guys can carry anywhere just with department ID (and rightfully so, given their training and required experience to be a 1D).

[haodoken]

Some civility...

@ryang, ostrey & mej16489,

I'm sure he could have asked his chain of command or consulted the CA PC book. However he asked his questions here. You could have been more civil about your answers.

We want people to ask questions. Isn't that what a forum is for?

Maybe you're in LE or maybe you're not, however it would be nice if there was some civility in the way people are treated. In my contacts with the public, I treat everyone (from soccer mom to parolee-at-large) in the same professional manner the public expects from LE. No need for "adam henry" responses.

just my $0.02.

BTW, PC 12020(b)(20) (i.e. the LE exemption for high cap mags) is now PC 32405.

[code_blue]

Wrong in OC. OCSD academy loves to test expired chemical agents on all levels (I, II and III) of reserves. I can tell you firsthand that **** still hurts even after its expiration date! The only reserves for OCSD who are full time 24/7 LEOs are Level 1D. All others (I, II, III) are only LEO while on duty. Even though we can legally carry under LEOSA, department policy requires a CCW while off duty unless you are a level 1D reserve. Those guys can carry anywhere just with department ID (and rightfully so, given their training and required experience to be a 1D).

Expiration date is only there so that the manufacturers can avoid lawsuits. My Chem Agents instructor said the same thing as you regarding potency, but nonetheless we received the new stuff.

I'm confused by what you stated, the OCSD academy tests expired OC on reserves or academy recruits? Does OCSD hold it's own academy separate from the Santa Ana college academy and is the OCSD academy a modular? It is to my understanding that Santa Ana's Modular is on hold even though they are hosted/affiliated with OCSD.

Most CA RO's put themselves through independent modular academies which are usually through a college. The POST requirement for chemical agents is in Module II. In a regular basic, the agency can change things around however they want to, but in a modular format the academy must abide by POST standards as far as what is taught/tested and which module it is taught/tested in. Obviously, the academies can get creative, but the standards are set.

That being said, most modular format graduated RO's do not experience chemical agents until Module II.

OCSD RO policy sounds logical, but it sucks for the non-1D RO's though. Would RO 1D basically be RO 1 with FTO clearance?


Oh shoot, we've gone off topic... Sorry OP. I hope that your question has been sufficiently answered.