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Chula Vista aint too bad as far as pay goes for So Cal. If you want action, pretty much look for a high crime city/county and go on a ride along with the agency that services that area.
Something you seriously need to consider though is pay AND benefits (medical/retirement). You might say "I can work my OT" but it can get old very fast and can add one more stressor to your life that you don't need. The biggest problem with many So Cal agencies is that the pay is not high compared to the cost of living. In my experience, Nor Cal and Central Valley agencies tend to pay better compared to the cost of living, definitely check those out as well. I for one will not work (unless there is literally no other option to make a buck) somewhere where I have to commute to work 2hrs each way four days a week. Some guys do it happily...
Definitely shop around the entire state to get a good feel for pay/benefits, especially if you aren't necessarily tied down to So Cal (or a specific part of it at least).Stay classy, CGF and Calguns.Originally posted by bwiese[BTW, I have no problem seeing DEA Agents and drug cops hanging from ropes, but that's a separate political issue.] -
stay away from inglewood city and beverly hills -- too much politics"I saved your life, AND brought you pizza" -- MeComment
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Your department is what you make of it. Smaller departments may give you a quiet career but your opportunities for advancement may be limited. I have friends that work in a department of 18 officers that like the small unit feel. The problem is that they are limited in terms if what they can do. Larger departments like my brothers in LASD have lots of different areas that you can make your way in to such as narco, training, motor, jails, courts etc. You can be very happy in a large department once you make it to where you want to be. Good luckLast edited by CaptMike; 07-05-2014, 11:56 AM.A life is not important, except for the impact it has on other lives- Jackie RobinsonComment
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Want a honest answer, the first one that hires you. Because then you can lateral out later on."All that is complex is not useful. All that is useful is simple."
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CaptMike (see above) has a great line of thinking.
"Best Department" depends on the person and their personal drivers at a particular point in their career/life. If you want a hard charging department (Santa Ana), a sleepy little dept (Irvine Valley College) is not going to do it for you. If you want a career long special assignment, better go to a dept that has those. Don't want to do custody, skip the SD's. You get the idea.
There are few departments widely viewed as complete no-go's (for various reason) across the span of a career or even a 10 year stretch. Also keep in mind, a dream dept may change what makes it a dream for you. Say you're eying a mid-sized dept with a lot of task force and special details but the chief changes or budgets get cut and those details evaporate. That dept may not look as dreamy.Comment
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This is pretty spot on. I work for a fairly small department and it has it's advantages and dissadvantages. You definitely get to know your fellow officers and their strengths and weaknesses, which I think is really imporant.Your department is what you make of it. Smaller departments may give you a quiet career but your opportunities fir advancement may be limited. I have fruends that work in a department of 18 officers that like the small unit feel but are limited in terms if what they can do. Larger departments like my brothers in LASD have lots of different areas that you can make your way in to such as narco, training, motor, jails, courts etc. You can be very happy in a large department once you make it to where you want to be. Good luck
On the downside, as CaptMike states, it takes forever to advance or get into specialty positions if you that's what you're looking to do. One of my career goals is to be a firearms instructor for my department and the two officers in those positions have no interest in giving them up. I pretty much have to wait for one of them to retire. Thankfully I have another 28 years until retirement anyway."Far and away the best prize life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing." - Theodore Roosevelt
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I'll be the fourth in line to back-up Capt Mike's comments.
I started out in a very small campus PD, then did fisheries enforcement in Alaska, and the last 31 years with LASD.
Small departments can give you a lot of broad exposure more quickly than a big one. But things can also get very old, very fast. You don't want to be at the point where "you've done it all" with 25 years left until retirement. Small agencies are also apt to change very quickly (it works two ways bad to good, and good to bad) with the change of just a few folks. Big agencies are more stable.
If you're looking for a long career, I would definitely go with a big agency. LASD is at the top of my list. LASD is going through a couple of trials right now, but it will come out a lot stronger. It's a only a few knuckleheads in high places that got us into this mess. The worst offenders are now toast, the remainder have been identified, and the re-education camps have been established. LAPD is second on my list, they've had a series of issues going back at least thirty years, but have made some pretty tremendous progress in the last five.If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.Comment
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I never realized how much culture can vary between depts until I was working. Some depts trust their officers, others micro-manage. Some discourage self-initiated activity, others thrive on it. City budget, salary, specialty assignments, morale, and leadership are all things to consider as well.
Best thing to do is go on a few ridealongs and tactfully ask the officer about his/her dept. I am always honest with my ridealongs about the positives and negatives of my dept compared to surrounding agencies. No place is perfect but there are certain places in Orange County I would not work. As a new applicant in the current job market, however; you should be accepting whatever job offer that'll get you through the academy. Lateraling is your best bet if you start at a less-than-ideal dept.Comment
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I suggest a bigger department. They have more assignments and movements just in case you want to move around until you find an assignment that you like. I had several assignments in my career, and my current assignment will give me about 15 years out of 29 total when I retire.Comment
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I think anyone who expects to pick and choose which departments they are willing to work for, has an overestimation of their abilities. Anyone who is serious about a LE career needs to do everything they can to prepare and test with as many departments as they can reach.
I personally tested with 8-10 different departments, some more than once, before I finally found a home. Nearly 15 years since and I never looked back.Comment
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I cannot agree more with what everyone has already expressed, and most definitely chase the pay and benefits! If you're doing the same job at a bigger agency as you would at a smaller one, why not get paid more for it?? Keep in mind a bigger agency won't always be comparable in pay as a smaller one and vise versa... As an example I work for an agency where our Patrol guys top out at $94k and offer lifetime medical for our retirees - which is almost unheard of nowadays. The downside to my department... Were approx 70 sworn and the room for advancement/special assignments are very limited.
Here is a short list of agencies that are mid-size with relatively decent pay and moderate room for advancement... I don't work for any of them however know many people who do and are very content;
Santa Ana
Anaheim
Ontario
Pasadena
Riverside
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San Bernardino (Pre-Bankruptcy)Last edited by jaysen; 06-26-2014, 9:49 AM.Comment
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I worked for a large agency. The upside was a lot of opportunities to do various jobs not always available at smaller ones (SWAT, Air Unit, Bomb / Arson etc...). The downside was they could transfer you and dramatically increase your daily commute. Like others have said, take the first job you get and then lateral if not happy. Getting your foot in the door is the first big step.sigpicComment
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