question about triggers and duty weapons.

[cptn2469]

Hey guys, I am currently buying a XDm .45 and I would like to have some work done to the trigger. Its going to be my duty weapon so I dont want to lighten the trigger so much as I just want to smooth it out a little bit. I think I read somewhere you can do whatever you want to it as long as the trigger weight stays above 5.5#. Is this correct? And does anyone know where the laws are for this? My range officer told me I can polish up the contact points and what not. But ive seen some drop in triggers that are used for "combat/duty use" thanks for any links, or anything you guys might know.

[Eirerogue]

I've had fellow LEOs get jammed in shooting incidents about weapon modification. Make sure you are authorized by your department on cleaning up the trigger. I wouldn't lower the trigger poundage. For example, some departments specifically prohibit the Glock 3.5 trigger as a liability issue. As long as the mod is authorized, you're probably good to go.

[cptn2469]

Yeah I was authorized to polish the trigger contact points making it smoother. The xdm comes with a 7.5# trigger. When You polish triggers sometimes it lowers by maybe .5-1# atleast it has in other guns that I have polished. Unfortunately he isnt sure about putting a different trigger in because he does not know what the lowest # trigger I can go with is. I wouldnt go under 5# even if I was allowed to carry less than that. 5-6lbs. Is plenty light enough. But again just mainly trying to take away the gritty feel stock triggers have, and take up some of the reset and pre travel on the gun. Thanks for your input. I may just ed up doing a polish job and leaving it at that.

[1911su16b870]

IMO all my duty stuff is stock, well used, clean and stock.

[mirage2887]

Make sure you have it in writing such as a memo or something that says you are good to good to even do a polish trigger job. Just because a range officer said you should be fine isn't gna fly if worst case scenario whatever the outcome you use your weapon and they find out your gna be SOL if that lil polish job wasn't within policy.

On another note, from how little some LEOs know about weapons (SMH) I doubt anyone would notice a lil polishing.

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

Speaking as a long time agency firearms trainer, "I think I read" and "the range officer said" won't cut it if you get involved in a shooting with that weapon after you've modified it. Please, make sure that you know the policy, and if the policy is silent, get written permission from someone with authority to interpret policy - or don't do it. If you do find that policy permits it, or get competent written authority to make modifications, have an armorer or 'smith certified on the Springfield do it. That way, if you are ever involved in a shooting, your agency can't use the excuse that you modified your weapon to leave you hanging.

[voodoomedman]

Not a cop. Yet anyway. But if authorized is recommend just sending to Springfield Custom Shop. They will take slack out and clean up for 145. Tell them what it's for. They won't do the competition job for carry or duty use. The powder river kit is supposed to be awesome but is worry about reliability, legal issues and it would kill the lifetime warranty.

I'm just waiting on a belt holster for my XDs (backup) to arrive so I can send in my XD45 for the carry job.

While they have your gun they can put on Trijicon's too. There's a whole package they have.


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[cptn2469]

Thanks for the advice guys. Like I said I would like to see something written down before I do it. I will get written permission stating im allowed to do a polish job but I wont go any farther than that unless I see somewhere in the law stating im allowed to do it to my weapon. Ill look into the springfield duty trigger upgrade I was reading on it. Don't know of that's legal though. So I need to double check before I do any of it. But from the sounds of it ill just be leaving the trigger stock. The nicer trigger isn't worth possibly getting hung to dry by my work if something ever were to happen. So unless someone can point me in the direction of a written law of some sort ill just get it in writing that I can polish the trigger and be done with it. Thanks guys.

[mixicus]

There is no law preventing the modifications you are discussing.

Make sure you are within your expressed department's policy. This includes not only the parts/mods but who can do them (i.e. armorer, manufacturer, gunsmith...)

[voodoomedman]

There is no law preventing the modifications you are discussing.

Make sure you are within your expressed department's policy. This includes not only the parts/mods but who can do them (i.e. armorer, manufacturer, gunsmith...)

This.

Can't point you to a law because their isn't one. Being LEO you've probably seen that laws are typically written prohibiting something rather than allowing something unless as an exception to the prohibition law.

But another reason I said go with Springfield Custom though. They'll set the weight to what you specify and if within the range that's within the manual I doubt any lawyers would find any work done and try and pull some BS with you. Now light trigger or put in an aftermarket kit where the parts are distinguishably different and you could have issues.


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[micro911]

We have a range of accepted trigger pull for single action and double action. As long as the trigger pull is within that spec, it is okay. I guess it is up to the agency to allow the trigger modification.

[P5Ret]

What department do you work for that you are relying on written law to approve a mod to a duty firearm instead of policy?
No matter what you do if it involves internal changes to a duty weapon do not do it yourself. Send it to Springfield, for the simple reason you can be assured that if you ever have to use it, it will be examined for unauthorized mods, possibly even sent out to the factory to ensure that it is still within manufactured specs. If it isn't expect to be standing alone at the defendants table in the civil suit.

[1CavScout]

Our duty guns all had department approved triggers installed before issue. There was only one trigger authorized. I would make sure you are clear on what your policy is.

[cptn2469]

Cool I will get the policy from my department. I work for an indian reservation thats why I was confused. I will make sure that I can send it in to springfield for a duty use trigger upgrade. Thanks for the help I didnt realize that it was based on policy not by a "law" of some sort forbidding the upgrading of internal parts on your duty weapon. With how california is I just assumed they had something out there for that.

[nickbackouris]

My .02, duty guns are stock internals. Bone stock. Maybe sights, but not ANY sight, only a few proven ones the department is ok with. You mod that gun and get in a shooting and no matter what you did (even if you just did one spring or connector) that will be made to look like the human murdering upgrade that, had you not modified, the attorneys client could possibly still be alive. Sounds nuts, but it's happened.

If you want that trigger smoothed out, shoot the snot out of it, clean it, leave it dry, and shoot the snot out of it again. Repeat until smooth.