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  • #16
    WyattandDoc
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 767

    Originally posted by Odinthor
    Well I understand the increased danger to officers with the allowance of anyone carring a firearm in a car, traffic stops (especially in LA) could be riskier. However, anyone who would take a shot at a cop or do something really dumb most likely would carry a gun illegally anyway so the law abiding person carrying a gun shouldn't really be as much of a worry IMO
    Why would traffic stops become riskier if law abiding citizens carry guns in their cars? This is exactly the mentality that tramples the 2nd Amendment is this state.

    I have encountered 100's of firearms in the past 28 years during traffic stops. Among them were several CCW's. Of those, EVERY single one of them told me the gun was in the car, some without me having to ask. And I'm sure there were several times where the subject never came up, and the traffic stop was completed with me never knowing there was a gun in the car. With a CCW comes tremendous responsibility and understanding of the "Big Picture". Those that understand this won't have any issues. The ones that don't get it will ruin it for everyone.
    Last edited by WyattandDoc; 04-23-2014, 4:31 PM.
    Knives don't stab people, cars don't drive drunk, eating utensils don't make you fat and pencils don't mis-spell words.

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    • #17
      JM2012
      • Nov 2012
      • 87

      I'm not worried about the guy/girl who only carries after making the appropriate application, paying the required fees, taking the right classes, and being issued the appropriate permit. That's not the type of person that is likely to shoot at me on a traffic stop or random pedestrian contact. Strapping a gun on their hip won't automatically make law abiding people into cop-hating criminals.

      I'm worried about the guys/girls who ALREADY carry illegally. Usually the same type of people carrying drugs, committing violent crimes, et cetera.

      If anything, a few high profile incidents involving armed citizens protecting themselves to the fatal detriment of the POS who tried to rob/murder/rape them may make the other crooks consider a new, less dangerous, line of work.

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      • #18
        bigger hammer
        Senior Member
        • May 2009
        • 2072

        I was not the slightest bit concerned with honest, decent people CCW'ing when I was working. Now that I'm retired, still not concerned. The more guns in the hands of such people, the safer we all are.
        And who comes to our aid in times of peril? Sometimes, it is the police or first responders; other times it is healthcare professionals; and sometimes it is family, friends, or neighbors. Sometimes, it is no one."... - U.S. District Judge Stephen McGlynn.

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        • #19
          Grumpyoldretiredcop
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2008
          • 6437

          Wasn't an issue when I was working, isn't an issue now.
          I'm retired. That's right, retired. I don't want to hear about the cop who stopped you today or how you didn't think you should get a ticket. That just makes me grumpy!

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          • #20
            SVT-40
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2008
            • 12905

            Arizona cops seem to have no issues...California LEO's will adjust...

            When they stop folks who are carrying they usually say...

            "Leave your gun in your holster, and so will I"....

            No real problems....
            Poke'm with a stick!


            Originally posted by fiddletown
            What you believe and what is true in real life in the real world aren't necessarily the same thing. And what you believe doesn't change what is true in real life in the real world.

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            • #21
              wpod
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 2395

              Many years ago I lived in AZ. I got pulled-over for speeding on my motorcycle. I was open carrying. I think I was more nervous than the officer.
              When he was as far away as possible (before contact) I removed my helmet, unzipped my jacket to make sure he could see it (cross-draw), rested my hands on my head as he calmly walked-up and removed it from the holster. Took it to his car then proceeded to wright the ticket. Returned it to me (unloaded) when we were done.
              No problems at all.
              This was early 1980's.

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              • #22
                RickD427
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jan 2007
                • 9271

                Originally posted by retired
                I'm retired 11yrs. now from LASD, but I have always been in favor of concealed carry for any citizen who qualifies. That has not changed since retiring. I believe you will find those active and retired leos who are members of Calguns believe the same, tho I do not speak for them.
                I concur.

                I've been retired for a year now, and that after serving as a LEO for 37 years, the last 31 with LASD.

                The last three sheriffs have been strongly opposed to citizen CCW, but that's primarily politics (the sheriff is elected and needs votes to keep his job).

                My view is that responsible and trained private persons who CCW are an enhancement to public safety. There have been a few knuckleheads that have endangered the public (and that includes LEO's) through CCW, but those numbers are far outweighed by the responsible majority. You just don't hear about those through the media.

                The main problem, as I see it, is how do you determine who is, and is not, responsible prior to their doing something stupid?
                If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.

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                • #23
                  IrishJoe3
                  Veteran Member
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 3804

                  Here's my take. When I heard about the recent ruling that may make CA a shall issue, I was shocked AND excited. (I already CCW, so I wasn't excited for me).

                  Its my firm belief that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a GOOD guy with a gun; so the next logical step is lets get more good guys with guns. (Face it, bad guys carry guns regardless).

                  When I encounter an armed citizen, I politely ask them to keep their hands away from the firearm, and its always been a complete non issue. To me, you telling me you're CCW is about as exciting as you telling me you like bubblegum. Except I'll show a lot more curiosity about your gun because I like guns.

                  I get that my perception is a minority, especially for large urban departments and with officers whose only firearm experience/ownership/use/interest is within the parameters of work. Those officers DON'T go shooting with you guys (non LEOs) off duty, they don't BS at gun stores and they don't getting in pissing contests on internet gun forums. But like SVT-40 said. They'll adjust and get over it. And if they don't like it, sucks to be them, IMO.

                  I DO hope those that will get CCWs will, for their own sake, take the time to train with their gun. I hope those future well intentioned citizens take that right seriously and do their utmost to be as prepared for a lethal encounter as possible. I hope they take the time to learn and understand the law and the workings of the law to the extent that there isn't the slightest question in their mind as to when and where homicide is justifiable. That is for their own sake, as I hate seeing a well intentioned but woefully misled gun owner getting in trouble.
                  Last edited by IrishJoe3; 05-03-2014, 9:41 PM.
                  Urban legends are a poor basis for making public policy.

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