Requal to meet LEOSA

[gblacksmith]

Fellows:

I'm trying to find an instructor who is aurthorized under the law to train and qualify retired feds under the requirements of LEOSA, as amended.

I have heard that there are trainers who CLAIM to be certified under LEOSA to train and requal retirees, but are not in fact, authorized.

Is there an NRA certification that I should be looking for? I'm assuming that there is, but I don't know if there is a distinct endorsement for LEOSA trainers vs. LEO trainers generally.

Can someone out there accurately school me on this issue.

[003]

The following is a direct cut and paste from LEOSA.

(4) during the most recent 12-month period, has met, at the expense of the individual, the standards for qualification in firearms training for active law enforcement officers, as determined by the former agency of the individual, the State in which the individual resides or, if the State has not established such standards, either a law enforcement agency within the State in which the individual resides or the standards used by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State

I assume your question involved what I have highlighted above. I have never seen or heard anything more specific. In California, I would assume, (and we all know what that means) that someone that has gone through the 40 hour FBI Law enforcement range masters course, or the California POST range master course would qualify. I would think that if they currently, or at one time worked for a LE agency and supervised the qualification of their officers that they are ok.

I would be concerned about a “trainer” that was never an active duty LE officer, and whose only training came from the military or private training organizations. While I do not mean to denigrate all private training organizations, as some are first rate, I do think whoever you use needs to have a strong LE connection and background.

[bluesmoke9]

Fellows:

I'm trying to find an instructor who is aurthorized under the law to train and qualify retired feds under the requirements of LEOSA, as amended.

I have heard that there are trainers who CLAIM to be certified under LEOSA to train and requal retirees, but are not in fact, authorized.

Is there an NRA certification that I should be looking for? I'm assuming that there is, but I don't know if there is a distinct endorsement for LEOSA trainers vs. LEO trainers generally.

Can someone out there accurately school me on this issue.

What federal agency did you work for? Assuming you aren't the only retiree that meets the criteria for LEOSA, someone in your agency or it's parent agency already does requals.

[CaptMike]

To meet californias standard as a qualified law enforcement firearms trainer, that person needed to complete the california POST firearms instructor course. NRA law enforcement training does not meet the state peace officer firearms training standard unless that NRA instructor also completed the california POST firearms instructor course.

As long as you conduct the requal course with a POST certified firearms instructor, you meet LEOSA standards in regards to requalification.

[003]

CaptMIke:

Thanks for the updated information. While I understand the California requirements to be a “certified” range master, LEOSA is a federal law and the California requirements do not apply. So, can anyone here definitively provide what is required under LEOSA? While I agree that being California certified would meet the requirements, not being Califonria certified does not preclude one from meeting the federal standard.

[gblacksmith]

What federal agency did you work for? Assuming you aren't the only retiree that meets the criteria for LEOSA, someone in your agency or it's parent agency already does requals.

Your thinking is clear, but my former agency does not logistically support requal under LEOSA, supposedly due to resource constraints.

Based on the cut-and-paste above, it would appear that:

A. A trainer certified to requal under state (POST) standards could requal me OR

b. A trainer that can requal federal officers (e.g. FBI rangemaster) can also requal me.

Am I reading this correctly? If so, I'll seek one or the other out.....

Thanks

[003]

Check out this organization. I know that the owner and a number of the trainers are California POST certified firearm trainers. The owner is full time California LE as are most of the others. I do not know if they handle LEOSA requalificaitons, give em a call.

http://www.covered6.com/

[bluesmoke9]

Your thinking is clear, but my former agency does not logistically support requal under LEOSA, supposedly due to resource constraints.

Based on the cut-and-paste above, it would appear that:

A. A trainer certified to requal under state (POST) standards could requal me OR

b. A trainer that can requal federal officers (e.g. FBI rangemaster) can also requal me.

Am I reading this correctly? If so, I'll seek one or the other out.....

Thanks

Even if your former agency doesn't do requals, I'd think someone in management would have an opinion as to what the most appropriate resource would be for you to use. Unless they don't support their retirees from carrying under LEOSA. I'd be curious what the FBI would tell you as they're probably the default answer for most federal retirees. I'm lucky in that I still live near the agency I retired from so it's fairly painless for me.

[CaptMike]

003
Every law enforcement agency in california is required to requal with a POST certified firearms instructor. Per leosa, "standards used by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State". The only folks in california that can do that are POST certified firearms instructors. Any federal agent can complete the qual with a calif POST Firearms instructor and they abide by leosa. NRA instrucvtors do not qualify. There are other instructors that have completed federal firearms instructor courses certified by the FBI or DMH. Those may also qualify but the law behind them gets a loittle murky. I a POST firearms instructor completes a california qual for a federal agent, they meet california standards which then means they meet leosa standards.

[Dr.Lou]

Originally the law was written so that if you retired and moved out of state, you'd have to return to CA (or whatever state you tired from) to qualify - LEOSA was amended to 2011 to address this dilemma. Now if you retire to another state, you have to be qualified by a firearms instructor certified to qualify law enforcement officers in that state.

4) during the most recent 12-month period, has met, at the expense of the individual, the standards for qualification in firearms training for active law enforcement officers, as determined by the former agency of the individual, the State in which the individual resides or, if the State has not established such standards, either a law enforcement agency within the State in which the individual resides or the standards used by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State;