Was I being a dick

[Hot Holster]

Sorry you're out the money, it's a darn expensive kick in the pants when things go wrong.

[Chewy65]

Sorry you're out the money, it's a darn expensive kick in the pants when things go wrong.

I miss the money, but better to learn on a small job than a big one.

[ZirconJohn]

Thanks ZircohnJohn. I can't blame the LEOs for reacting strongly to a post by someone that threatened deputies with a suit.

Well... folks here at CGN don't take too kindly cop bashing... now...

You weren't exactly 'cop bashing' but... right is right & wrong is wrong...

The guy just wanted his tools back... a working man needs his tools you understand.

Law Enforcement Officers were just trying to be nice to you, and nice to the guy what just wanted his tools back.

Pretty simple situation, didn't need Police to result in end product.

[joe_gman]

You might or might not be correct in this case. We just do not have enough information to know for sure. However, that doesn't change the fact that you made a blanket claim and it does not apply in all cases. In fact, a homeowner can, in some cases deny access to personal property or discard it as abandoned property. Again, I'm not saying that in this particular case you are right or wrong. I'm pointing out the fact that you made a blanket statement which does not always apply. So, yea, based on just your original statement, you don't have a grasp on the law. However, if you want to stand behind your statement and believe it is always the case, please PM me your address. I have a couple trailers of stuff I need to store for a while and your garage will do. Of course, I'll document and inventory everything and make sure to hold you accountable for any losses. No, according to your inaccurate statement, I don't even need your permission to store my stuff there. So, do you still think your statement is 100% accurate and correct in all instances? I hope so, I really need to store some furniture for free.

Not that I really want to argue with you, but you are the one claiming I made a blanket statement. I made a statement based on the OP denying the Contractor working on the OP's property the right to access his own property being stored there. The OP didn't say the contractor couldn't store his property there, nor did he say the contractor was storing property there without his knowledge. Upon allowing the Contractor to work on his property, the OP gave consent to the contractors property being stored on the OP's property. Generally in construction, tools are often stored on the job site. Again, my contracts state that the client must provide me a safe place on site to store my tools for the job, during the duration of the job. I made no mention of any random person, nor did I make any mention of any random house. I made a specific determination given that the OP was refusing the release of the contractors property being stored on the OP's property during the implied commission of a job.

If you want to drop off a couple trailer loads of stuff on my property without my permission or my knowledge, feel free, but understand it is not with my consent, and I will consider it to be illegal dumping per CA PC 374.3. Now if I granted you permission to store your property on my property, then I would be liable for any damage or loss during the agreed upon terms of storage. Plus I would have to allow you access to your property at any convenient time.

But I can't get mad at you CSACANNONEER. Anyone who does Civil War reenactments gets a thumbs up from me. The Moorpark one is great and provides a lot of money for charity through the Moorpark Rotary Club.

[Chewy65]

Well... folks here at CGN don't take too kindly cop bashing... now...

You weren't exactly 'cop bashing' but... right is right & wrong is wrong...

The guy just wanted his tools back... a working man needs his tools you understand.

And this homeowner just wanted the guy to do the job he agreed to do. this wasn't a petty gripe but a serious problem that the contractor created and was running out on fixing.

Law Enforcement Officers were just trying to be nice to you, and nice to the guy what just wanted his tools back.

Keep in mind that I didn't drag law enforcement into this. Yes, they had to respond to the illegal contractor's call. Yes, they had to secure the situation. Once they saw that it was a simple civil matter, they should have left. They should never have tried to coerce me with the threat of arrest. I had the matter reviewed and am confident that no crime was committed by myself.
My question was whether law enforcement officers thought I was being a dick; not whether I knew the law.

If I was a real dick, I would have still done something about the officers, but let it go because I didn't want to make a mountain out of a molehill and I think they were acting in good faith.

I think this horse has been beaten to death.

[ZirconJohn]

Yes ^^^ you are correct.

Now... let it go Chewy... breaaaaaaaaaath...

Initial post here on CGN rather bumpy... relax... we are not your enemy.

But continue making waves and breaking wind and there are forces to deal with... and it's not me...,

I'm just a little TROLL hunter, and you are not my he's my little little monkey.

Take care Chew... see you on the main board... be nice...

[freonr22]

I think this horse has been beaten to death.

i think you should be prosecuted for hiring an unlicesned contractor..

[tonelar]

So, in 4 plus hours you went from having shoddy work by an unlicensed contractor (and the risk of being arrested) to hiring a licensed contractor and having your tub and bathroom repaired?

Good job!

[VegasND]

50 posts in this thread and no ban ...

You guys are losing your touch.

[CSACANNONEER]

Not that I really want to argue with you, but you are the one claiming I made a blanket statement. I made a statement based on the OP denying the Contractor working on the OP's property the right to access his own property being stored there. The OP didn't say the contractor couldn't store his property there, nor did he say the contractor was storing property there without his knowledge. Upon allowing the Contractor to work on his property, the OP gave consent to the contractors property being stored on the OP's property. Generally in construction, tools are often stored on the job site. Again, my contracts state that the client must provide me a safe place on site to store my tools for the job, during the duration of the job. I made no mention of any random person, nor did I make any mention of any random house. I made a specific determination given that the OP was refusing the release of the contractors property being stored on the OP's property during the implied commission of a job.

If you want to drop off a couple trailer loads of stuff on my property without my permission or my knowledge, feel free, but understand it is not with my consent, and I will consider it to be illegal dumping per CA PC 374.3. Now if I granted you permission to store your property on my property, then I would be liable for any damage or loss during the agreed upon terms of storage. Plus I would have to allow you access to your property at any convenient time.

But I can't get mad at you CSACANNONEER. Anyone who does Civil War reenactments gets a thumbs up from me. The Moorpark one is great and provides a lot of money for charity through the Moorpark Rotary Club.

We are the host unit. I've put in a lot of time setting up and taking down props and working with the pyro guys over the years. I haven't done that much in the last few years though. Anyway, we have loaner uniforms if you want to come to an event and see if you like it. In fact, there's a small event coming up in Simi next month. Here's the first part of an email I got the other day:

My fellow reenactors,

The third annual encampment at Strathearn Historical Park in Simi Valley will take place on February 15 and 16 of Presidents Day Weekend. You are invited to attend and to take part in this event that takes place in a wonderful, antique, "old timey" setting.

As we did last year, there will be infantry and dismounted cavalry skirmishes. Due to the nearby homes, we will, unfortunately, not be able to fire cannons.

[joe_gman]

We are the host unit. I've put in a lot of time setting up and taking down props and working with the pyro guys over the years. I haven't done that much in the last few years though. Anyway, we have loaner uniforms if you want to come to an event and see if you like it. In fact, there's a small event coming up in Simi next month. Here's the first part of an email I got the other day:

I was thinking of going to the Strathearn park event this year. We have supported the park in the past. I will push for my club to do a social there for this. Should be educational. Thank you.

[Fjold]

I'm assuming that the total amount of the job exceeded $500.

If so, if the guy you hired was unlicensed and was doing work in excess of that limit you could not pay him at all and he would have no legal recourse for demanding payment.

You cannot keep his tools.

[kermit315]

I vote for ca patriot again. I dont buy that this guy is legit for a second.

[retired]

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