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  • lifeofduty
    Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 159

    DELETE

    PLEASE DELETE
    Last edited by lifeofduty; 09-02-2014, 3:29 AM.
  • #2
    gym rat
    Banned
    • Dec 2013
    • 31

    It would be ethical, legal and a great tactical move.

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    • #3
      CBR_rider
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2013
      • 2736



      Watch it actually happen...
      Originally posted by bwiese
      [BTW, I have no problem seeing DEA Agents and drug cops hanging from ropes, but that's a separate political issue.]
      Stay classy, CGF and Calguns.

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      • #4
        OldShooter32
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 2065

        Whatever it takes.
        "If we make enough laws, we can all be criminals."

        Walnut media for bright brass
        http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=621214

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        • #5
          K7addict
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 641

          Originally posted by lifeofduty
          If you were to arrive on scene of a crime where there had already been an officer down, and you were rolling up on an active shooter (I don't know any police lingo) and the shooter was in the street, could you run him over with your car? Or would that be unethical?

          If lethal force can be used to stop a threat who is actively harming citizens, whether it be officers or people walking down the street, then yes. I don't see anything unethical about it and a department may or may not have policy for or against.

          It may be unorthodox but I bet most officers are more accurate with a car than a gun, the car has brakes to stop once the suspect is down vs bullets that could potentially miss, the car provides some cover and there is a time factor involved as well. I'd rather hit an active shooter with an approximate 28,000,000 grain projectile instead of a 230 grain projectile. Just my 2 cents.

          Tapatalkin Galaxy Note II

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          • #6
            DEPUTYBILL
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 874

            More knock down power the better!

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            • #7
              pitbuljake
              Member
              • Jun 2012
              • 226

              Originally posted by gym rat
              It would be ethical, legal and a great tactical move.
              +1

              And the best part, the officers went home that night!

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              • #8
                NuGunner
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2008
                • 705

                Lethal force is lethal force

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                • #9
                  BakoJ
                  top poster @ utahguns.net
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 2293

                  Originally posted by CBR_rider
                  Bad ***!
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                  Originally posted by HP911
                  sweet jesus, the subject matter experts are 97!
                  Isaiah 41:10
                  So do not fear, for I am with you;
                  do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
                  I will strengthen you and help you;
                  I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

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                  • #10
                    lifeofduty
                    Member
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 159

                    Ok, and to switch the question up just for sharts and giggles, what if a civilian encounters an active shooter while driving. Is it ok for a civilian to run over the active shooter or will they go down for murder?

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                    • #11
                      Just-in
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2010
                      • 2176

                      Originally posted by CBR_rider
                      Ouch!

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                      • #12
                        RickD427
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 9274

                        If the use of deadly force is justified, it really doesn't matter what tool is used to deliver that force.

                        The U.S. Supreme Court gave a good treatment to the issue in Scott v Harris (2007). That case originated in a vehicle pursuit. He opted not to use the textbook PITT Maneuver because he was outside of the speed parameters. But using some original thought, and an understanding of vehicle movement dynamics, came up with an improvised "let's run him into a giant tree at 85mph maneuver."

                        It worked. The pursuit was ended and the suspect was rendered a quadriplegic. He sued on 42 USC 1983 grounds alleging that his right against unreasonable seizure was violated. The Supreme Court held that the deputy was shielded by qualified immunity.

                        It was a "slam dunk" decision. Eight of the justices considered the force as reasonable. The one dissenting justice didn't find the force unreasonable, he dissented because he felt a jury was entitled to decide the reasonableness.
                        If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.

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                        • #13
                          Ron-Solo
                          In Memoriam
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 8581

                          Originally posted by lifeofduty
                          Ok, and to switch the question up just for sharts and giggles, what if a civilian encounters an active shooter while driving. Is it ok for a civilian to run over the active shooter or will they go down for murder?
                          If deadly force is appropriate, it isn't murder, it is justifiable homicide. LE status isn't a requirement for justifiable homicide.

                          Don't expect your car insurance to cover the damage, since it is an intentional act.
                          Last edited by Ron-Solo; 12-04-2013, 2:21 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Rickrock1
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 5158

                            You probably never want to be In that position
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                            • #15
                              CBR_rider
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 2736

                              Originally posted by bako88fan
                              Bad ***!
                              IIRC, the buy driving in that video had a ride along too. Before I was hired, I never had ride alongs like that...
                              Originally posted by bwiese
                              [BTW, I have no problem seeing DEA Agents and drug cops hanging from ropes, but that's a separate political issue.]
                              Stay classy, CGF and Calguns.

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