Tactical Medic / Shared services

[BigPimping]

I have been a medic for 23 yrs....the general opinion of most people I work with if that we will be going nowhere near the pt until all is code 4.

[emtmark]

Tactical Medic / Shared services

Amr was approached several times in Santa Clara as well as in other counties. They all said hell no to putting non le paramedics in the hot area. We tried real hard to get them to budge cause we all thought it would be fun and outside our normal "you call we hau"l stuff but no luck. For awhile there was a special operation team by Amr out of San Mateo, rumor was they bought their own gear. We went with them to Oakland for some night of riots. I thought it rather foolish to be dressed and equipped as a police officer minus a gun running around in the dark. Nobody is going to ask you who you are before they whack you with a board or shoot at you. I dont know if they are still active.
I've only ever seen and participated as the receiver of hurt guy dragged out to unit away from the fight. Doest TCCC say to shoot the bad guy and then attend to your wounded in that order. No real reason you need to be going in with them unless your armed and ready to shoot bad guys. Just my .02


I know what this man needs, bring me the bourbon!
-CK Medic 538

[SMarquez]

I have been a medic for 23 yrs....the general opinion of most people I work with if that we will be going nowhere near the pt until all is code 4.

A lot is now changing with fire being incorporated into active shooter scenarios. LACOFD trained with LASD and other mutual aid departments early this year at Claremont College. EMS crews were escorted into cleared rooms prior to code 4.
It was different to go in and pull people out with blanks going off down the hallway.

[FLIGHT762]

When our SWAT team combined into a regional team from 6-7 agencies, our combined Fire departments organized a tactical paramedic program for our regional team. Been doing so for a number of years. It's worked out pretty well. I'll send you a PM.

[jp1911]

I cant remember if its Shasta SO or Redding PD that does this (Its been to long since I took the academy). I know Shasta use to have a surgeon on SWAT. Hers is a link to what was submitted to the board about the use of the surgeon. Hope it helps.

http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/BOS_Agenda/MG52935/AS52941/AS52970/AI53109/DO53149/DO_53149.PDF

[Jongage]

Our department (fire) traines regularly with our police department on active shooting scenarios. We have no formal written policies, so the city council and or civilian oversight committee wont attempt to stick their nose in it.

They will form up the first four officers, go in and "neutralize" the shooter. And provide us "safer" coordiors into the building to treat subjects. We will not wait for the old school, block away "scene secure". After talking with their experts, there is no way they will be able to conduct a total search of a building to give us that security. Also with what happened at columbine, we felt the need to get in there, under the "safest" conditions available. With the data coming our of the recent wars, it has shown that the application of tourniquets is the best route, saves the most people. So we went that route, building active shooter kits on our rigs. Tourniquets and quick clot. The best thing is, those items don't expire, so we have no increase in yearly cost with expiring materials.
We are not having our medics join the PD team, however the entire department is used to and has trained along side at the engine company level.

We also use common radio channels, and have each other's channels in the same bank on our radios.
I think that has been the best thing that we have done. We don't have any policies about transmitting, we just common sence. Works great on coordinating accidents, and just listening to determine if the scene is secure and what they are doing.

[emtmark]

Tactical Medic / Shared services

Both have expiration dates, manufacturer will not guarantee performance of product past said date. Also I believe a FDA requirement. Do they still work? Sure, 20 year old Tylenol might work but I won't eat it.


I know what this man needs, bring me the bourbon!
-CK Medic 538

[Content Kitty]

Tactical Medic / Shared services

There is a good section on this subject over at CaliforniaFirefighter.com