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  • lifeofduty
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    • Apr 2013
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    Last edited by lifeofduty; 09-02-2014, 3:22 AM.
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    Ron-Solo
    In Memoriam
    • Jan 2009
    • 8581

    To answer your questions:

    1. Sometimes, depends on circumstances. Not enough info here to determine. Same for EMS/Fire

    2. Door could have been unlocked. Many ways to get in that don't need kicking a door.

    3. Depends on what was said in call or other info they had. Can't answer based on the info you have.

    4. Not that I'm aware of.
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    • #3
      sbcfd
      Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 232

      Fire and ems can enter because they are not there for any reason other then a persons welfare.

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      • #4
        tyrist
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2007
        • 4564

        Originally posted by sbcfd
        Fire and ems can enter because they are not there for any reason other then a persons welfare.
        The police can force entry for the same reason.


        To the OP: Every agency has different policies on the deployment of shoulder arms so I cannot answer for certain but the chances are there was a reasonable belief an armed person was inside of the location. The police might haven entered or the possible victim let them in through another entrance such as a window.

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        • #5
          Jongage
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Jan 2011
          • 370

          As fire we get a lot of "medical alarm" calls. We usually find an open window or a door that we can force open without breaking things. However our agency considers a medical alarm as existent circumstances, and condones this type of response.

          No alarm, no 911 call. No entry
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          • #6
            WyattandDoc
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2013
            • 767

            Warrantless Entries

            1. Fresh Pursuit
            2. Protection of Life/Property
            3. Prevent the Destruction of Evidence
            4. Consent to Enter
            Knives don't stab people, cars don't drive drunk, eating utensils don't make you fat and pencils don't mis-spell words.

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            • #7
              Just-in
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 2176

              Another thing to consider is a medical alert alarm/ bracelet. Sometimes other neighbors will have a house key, or the alarm company will notify first responders of a hidden key location. I've yet to see a house with a Knox Box lol. Doesn't sound like the case here but I've experienced it.

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              • #8
                sjb269
                Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 297

                My days of entering through a window/back door on a third party 911 activation are over. These days PD goes in first to clear the area.
                If someone is on the phone with dispatch and can't make it to the door and needs medical help, different story..sure well enter. In 16 years, I have only found one house that didn't have at least one window/door that couldn't be bypassed with minimal ingenuity.

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