Private Patrol Operator's - Assault Weapons?

[cindynles]

Does anyone know if private patrol operator's have an exemption to the assault weapons law? I saw this guy the other day and noticed he had an AR-15 type rifle in the vehicle rack that was configured in a way that appears to make it an AW (no BB).

I'm just curious if PPO's are allowed to issue these to their employees. Thanks.

[mig79]

That longhorn decal makes everything legal.

[nastyhabts26]

God I hope not have you seen some of those Rent-A-Cops

[leman77]

PPO = private patrol operator = security officer. I doubt he would be able to carry an RAW, i think you can only put handguns on your guard card.

[gunner336]

ASW

Even if a personally owned or Registered ASW they can't carry in public or in a car. Cannot be on gun card

[vintagearms]

CA BSIS is looking at a carbine certification for security guards but it has not been implemented yet as far as I know. A PPO does not have an exemption to the assault weapons law. Extradition officers may have a different set of rules regarding weapons of which I have no knowledge of.

[cindynles]

Even if a personally owned or Registered ASW they can't carry in public or in a car. Cannot be on gun card

That's what I thought, but you can see both a shotgun and an AR between the seats in the picture. It was not a LEO vehicle (normal plates and yellow lights on top).

[NuGunner]

Could be an off duty officer working an off duty gig and using his authorized AW /personally bought rifle!?! Of course that's just speculation.

[Doheny]

Maybe these guys?: http://www.etallc.org

I see you're in Riv Co. and that's where they're based out of. The name on the car and website are similar.

[non sequitur]

Transportation Officers

Non-sworn Transportation Officer pursuant to Penal Code 831.6

[allpoint]

PPO Private Patrol Operator is an employer of security personnel whether messengers, guards,etc...and they are authorized to carry. You are speculating that the pic shows an assault weapon.
PC 26030.
(a) Section 25850 does not apply to any of the following who have been issued a certificate pursuant to subdivision (d):
(1) Guards or messengers of common carriers, banks, and other financial institutions, while actually employed in and about the shipment, transportation, or delivery of any money, treasure, bullion, bonds, or other thing of value within this state.
(2) Guards of contract carriers operating armored vehicles pursuant to California Highway Patrol and Public Utilities Commission authority, if they were hired prior to January 1, 1977.
(3) Guards of contract carriers operating armored vehicles pursuant to California Highway Patrol and Public Utilities Commission authority, if they were hired on or after January 1, 1977, and they have completed a course in the carrying and use of firearms that meets the standards prescribed by the Department of Consumer Affairs.
(4) Private investigators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.3 (commencing with Section 7512) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their employment.
(5) Uniformed employees of private investigators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.3 (commencing with Section 7512) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their employment.
(6) Private patrol operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.5 (commencing with Section 7580) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their employment.
(7) Uniformed employees of private patrol operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.5 (commencing with Section 7580) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their employment.
(8) Alarm company operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.6 (commencing with Section 7590) of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their employment.
(9) Uniformed security guards or night watch persons employed by any public agency, while acting within the scope and course of their employment.
(10) Uniformed security guards, regularly employed and compensated in that capacity by persons engaged in any lawful business, and uniformed alarm agents employed by an alarm company operator, while actually engaged in protecting and preserving the property of their employers, or on duty or en route to or from their residences or their places of employment, and security guards and alarm agents en route to or from their residences or employer-required range training.

[P5Ret]

I'm going to guess that the OP took the picture of what appeared to him to be an AR type carbine in the vehicle in front of him. His view was probably a lot clearer than the picture is. Nothing in the section you quoted refers to an AW, and that is what the question was not if they could carry in public.

[mej16489]

PPO Private Patrol Operator is an employer of security personnel whether messengers, guards,etc...and they are authorized to carry. You are speculating that the pic shows an assault weapon.
PC 26030.
(a) Section 25850 does not apply to any of the following who have been issued a certificate pursuant to subdivision (d):

You are listing the exemptions to crimes for loaded guns. Those exemptions don't apply to "assault weapons"

[cindynles]

I'm going to guess that the OP took the picture of what appeared to him to be an AR type carbine in the vehicle in front of him. His view was probably a lot clearer than the picture is. Nothing in the section you quoted refers to an AW, and that is what the question was not if they could carry in public.

Yes. I walked by it in the parking lot before I took the picture. I was clearly able to see that no BB was installed, a long (30 round) mag was installed, what appeared to be a flash suppressor, and a collapsible stock. So it does appear to be configured as an AW. I was curious about the laws regarding PPO's and AW's.

[allpoint]

I was responding more to Bobby, Leman77 and Gunner336 about what a PPO was and their abilities. It is obvious if you apply for a Dangerous Weapon Permit (BOF030) and pay Special Occupational Tax then it is possible to have an a-salt-weapon. It's not an automatic thing just because you are a PPO.