Defensive Tactics Styles

[JP1805]

I am curious as to what the rest of you use for defensive tactics/arrest and control techniques.

I currently use and teach the Koga techniques for ACT and straight baton. I have used Koga successfully in the field but I want to add more "tools" to my tool box.

What do you guys who are currently working the field think about Koga? Are there any other ACT styles that you think work better?

[<IXOYE><]

I stay trained in Aikido and Judo.

[SquareLite]

I like koga. It feels very natural to me and its not all fancied up to the point where I don't remember it. It's become instinctive to me. On a side note, the koga sd1 stick is cool, but I've never used on outside of training. Straight stick all the way. 29" dymondwood.

[CBR_rider]

Aikido has some very nice components for LE work...

Though I myself am a 3rd Degree Black Belt in this style:

[Samuelx]

I am curious as to what the rest of you use for defensive tactics/arrest and control techniques.

For me personally, I have my own blend of styles/techniques pulled from a bunch of different MA’s – different tools for different ranges of combat and circumstances/situations. I would say my “home system” is JKD/FMA. For instructing most of our inservice classes though, especially training recruits, our curriculum and training methodologies are largely (but not all) Krav based. For the times when we have a lot of material to cover, a relatively short time to cover it in, and a wide range and large number of students, Krav works pretty well.

I currently use and teach the Koga techniques for ACT and straight baton. I have used Koga successfully in the field but I want to add more "tools" to my tool box.

In what combat range(s) or under what kinds of circumstances do you think it would be nicer for you to have more tools?

What do you guys who are currently working the field think about Koga? Are there any other ACT styles that you think work better?

I’ve only had a brief introduction to Koga. The little that I saw didn’t really appeal to me personally because I already had my preferences for accomplishing certain goals or responding to certain types of situations/threats/attacks/etc.

I’m very comfortable with the things I train in now but I’m always looking for whatever else is available out there and/or trying to make what I’ve got work even better. As an instructor, I also have to be able to present a variety of options/tools/techniques (even the ones I don’t favor) because not everyone can do what I do or would prefer to do what I do (and vice versa). Quite often, I'm taking little bits from here and there and adding that to my library or repertoire - I've never taken an entire style/system en masse and adopted it entirely or used it exclusively.

[IrishJoe3]

I am curious as to what the rest of you use for defensive tactics/arrest and control techniques.

Oh no, that's far too militarized, so I stick strictly with smiles and puppies.

[Petro6golf]

I like Koga. Its simple and works.

[Samuelx]

Oh no, that's far too militarized, so I stick strictly with smiles and puppies.

If I was a handler, I'd be smiling every time I saw my puppy do this:

[JP1805]

Thanks for all the feedback.

I have heard some good things about Krav, but I have also heard that Krav is aggressive and good for defense, but not so good for control.

[JP1805]

[QUOTE=Samuelx;12166901]In what combat range(s) or under what kinds of circumstances do you think it would be nicer for you to have more tools?

I chose my words poorly. I did not mean actual physical tools, I meant knowing different techniques to use in case the first (or multiple) technique I tried failed.

For example, I once had a suspect I was searching try to pull away from me. Since I already had him in a twist lock I attempted an arm bar takedown but the suspect would not go down that way. I transitioned to a hair pull take down and that worked quite nicely.

[Socaliente]

Wrestling, All fights go to the ground.

[ap3572001]

Russian Combat Sambo , Some VERY basic Karate and staying in shape.

[Samuelx]

[QUOTE=JP1805;12171906]

In what combat range(s) or under what kinds of circumstances do you think it would be nicer for you to have more tools?

I chose my words poorly. I did not mean actual physical tools, I meant knowing different techniques to use in case the first (or multiple) technique I tried failed.

For example, I once had a suspect I was searching try to pull away from me. Since I already had him in a twist lock I attempted an arm bar takedown but the suspect would not go down that way. I transitioned to a hair pull take down and that worked quite nicely.

I didn't think you chose your words poorly - I took it to mean techniques and not equipment. And I think your approach is good - having options, being able to transition, being ready to respond to likely subject reactions or possible counters, etc. If you're looking at close range grabbing, joint manipulations, control, takedowns, etc, maybe take a look at blending things from arts like judo, traditional jiu-jitsu, aikido, wrestling, etc. Quite a few arts have lock flows that help transition between techniques while responding to subject reactions.

[Samuelx]

Thanks for all the feedback.

I have heard some good things about Krav, but I have also heard that Krav is aggressive and good for defense, but not so good for control.

Depending on KM organization and school, you may not see much controlling techniques in a civilian KM class or curriculum. I think you might find more in an LE course. Even then, I personally have not seen all that much in my KM training. I recommend blending that KM with whatever you already have in your tool box and I would still look to other arts and styles for more tools.

Btw, as far as controlling a subject is concerned - the two times it's easiest to handcuff someone: 1. when they're cooperative or 2. when they're unconscious...

[Samuelx]

Wrestling, All fights go to the ground.

IMO, wrestling is a very good Building Block but can be a liability by itself in a real fight or for LE work. Not ALL fights go to the ground BUT they can easily end up there and we should definitely be ready for that eventuality. For LE purposes, we usually try to avoid going to the ground Except for when it's advantageous or less disadvantageous for us to do so. Fwiw, I did a couple of years of wrestling as a kid - the first almost martial art I trained in. As an instructor, it's fun having wrestlers in class because they typically bring a lot of positive attributes to the table...