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  • davegonewild
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    • Apr 2012
    • 1190

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    Last edited by davegonewild; 08-28-2013, 9:08 PM.
  • #2
    Samuelx
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 1558

    Best to ask CHP/the officer(s) involved.

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    • #3
      davegonewild
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      • Apr 2012
      • 1190

      Originally posted by Samuelx
      Best to ask CHP/the officer(s) involved.
      Unfortunately I am not able to do that at this time. That is why I am asking here.

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      • #4
        davegonewild
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        • Apr 2012
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        Last edited by davegonewild; 08-28-2013, 9:08 PM.

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        • #5
          drifter001
          Senior Member
          • May 2010
          • 2195

          Hot and run is considered a felony I believe so suspect should be in custody
          Fir Na Tine

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          • #6
            drifter001
            Senior Member
            • May 2010
            • 2195

            *hit
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            • #7
              74c5
              Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 323

              No real need to arrest. He's in the hospital and, if not ambulatory, why arrest and put the hospital bill onto the system? He has to pay his own medical this way. If they got blood, then they'll run it and file later if they wish.
              How do you know he's a .05?

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              • #8
                RickD427
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                • Jan 2007
                • 9266

                Originally posted by dstites711
                Are there any scenarios where a driver with a .05 blood alcohol level that hit another car and ran would not be arrested? A chp officer caught up to him 10 miles down the road because he pulled over because his car was overheating as a result of the incident. He was taken to the hospital, but not arrested.

                I respect and would appreciate your feedback.
                Sir,

                There are actually quite a few instances where it would be proper to not arrest a criminal suspect. Please consider the following points:

                1) An arrest is not a sanction, or a punishment. Therefore, the severity of the crime alone does not dictate whether an arrest is made.

                2) The purposes of an arrest are to identify the suspect, prevent their flight from prosecution, and to prevent further criminal conduct during the pendency of their case. When the ID of the suspect is known, the flight risk is small, and there's not a risk of re-occurence, we don't have to move fast.

                3) Once an arrest is made, the prosecution incurs very strict timelines for bringing the case to trial. In a world where things can be done "fast" or be done "right", the premature making of an arrest can require prosecutors to take the "fast" path.

                4) The prosecution bears the burden of proof. We want as much evidence as possible. Often, it is much easier to collect additional evidence while the suspect remains free.

                5) When an arrest is made, prior to all of the evidence being collected, the prosecution often has to face the inevitable defense claim "they were biased against my client all along, they never bothered to look for the real suspect."

                6) In cases where the suspect is injured and requires medical treatment, having the suspect in custody will require that officers be taken out of service to guard them at the hospital. Until just a few years ago, L.E. agencies had to pay for medical treatment provided to persons in custody. Some agencies still pay.

                There's a bunch of "pros" and "cons" to the making of an arrest decision, but there are good reasons to delay an arrest when the conditions make it advantageous.
                Last edited by RickD427; 07-14-2013, 2:36 PM.
                If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.

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                • #9
                  davegonewild
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                  • Apr 2012
                  • 1190

                  Originally posted by RickD427
                  Sir,

                  There are actually quite a few instances where it would be proper to not arrest a criminal suspect. Please consider the following points:

                  1) An arrest is not a sanction, or a punishment. Therefore, the severity of the crime alone does not dictate whether an arrest is made.

                  2) The purposes of an arrest are to identify the suspect, prevent their flight from prosecution, and to prevent further criminal conduct during the pendency of their case. When the ID of the suspect is known, the flight risk is small, and there's not a risk of re-occurence, we don't have to move fast.

                  3) Once an arrest is made, the prosecution incurs very strict timelines for bringing the case to trial. In a world where things can be done "fast" or be done "right", the premature making of an arrest can require prosecutors to take the "fast" path.

                  4) The prosecution bears the burden of proof. We want as much evidence as possible. Often, it is much easier to collect additional evidence while the suspect remains free.

                  5) When an arrest is made, prior to all of the evidence being collect, the prosecution often has to face the inevitable defense claim "they were biased against my client all along, they never bothered to look for the real suspect."

                  6) In cases where the suspect is injured and requires medical treatment, having the suspect in custody will require that officers be taken out of service to guard them at the hospital. Until just a few years ago, L.E. agencies had to pay for medical treatment provided to persons in custody. Some agencies still pay.

                  There's a bunch of "pros" and "cons" to the making of an arrest decision, but there are good reasons to delay an arrest when the conditions make it advantageous.
                  That makes sense. Thank you very much for your response.

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                  • #10
                    davegonewild
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                    • Apr 2012
                    • 1190

                    Originally posted by 74c5
                    No real need to arrest. He's in the hospital and, if not ambulatory, why arrest and put the hospital bill onto the system? He has to pay his own medical this way. If they got blood, then they'll run it and file later if they wish.
                    How do you know he's a .05?
                    I know the paramedic that was on scene.

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                    • #11
                      Ron-Solo
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                      • Jan 2009
                      • 8581

                      Originally posted by dstites711
                      I know the paramedic that was on scene.
                      Then your paramedic friend just violated a bunch of federal privacy laws regarding patient confidentialitiy. He could easily get fired for it.


                      If he is your friend, you will forget he ever said anything and NEVER repeat it again.

                      RickD summed it up pretty nicely.
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                      • #12
                        CBR_rider
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 2699

                        Did the suspect have serious injuries? If so, he will likely be arrested once his condition improves. Additionally, do you know he wasn't arrested? I've babysat far too many crooks at the hospital and then booked them when their condition improved
                        Originally posted by bwiese
                        [BTW, I have no problem seeing DEA Agents and drug cops hanging from ropes, but that's a separate political issue.]
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                        • #13
                          Heiko
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 1025

                          Like others have posted, there is no rush if dude is in the hospital. They'll file out of custody when they've completed their accident investigation, including obtaining medical records from anyone other than the suspect who was injured to support a 23513(a) or if things go fatal, a 191.5.

                          OP: If your concern is that the driver will escape charges, that seems highly unlikely.

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                          • #14
                            tyrist
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 4564

                            Nobody wants to sit on a DUI for multiple days in the ICU so unless he killed somebody it's going to be filed later.

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                            • #15
                              shojivic
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                              CGN Contributor
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 767

                              It's a misd crime; only hit a parked vehicle. Property damage only. It'll get filed and there's little likelihood he'll get out of it. At .05 BAC, he's HBD only, so that's pretty much a moot point. What will be most frustrating is when he pleads out and they go easy on him (despite whatever priors he has).

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