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  • Bert Gamble
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 3230

    Statistics on Drug Dog alerts?

    I would like to know if in the US, information is tracked on how many alerts a drug dog makes actually are found to have narcotics in them upon search?

    If the dog or his handler has a high number of false alerts, is there additional training required? Is the dog removed from service?

    I ask this because I was watching a show on Australian Immigration. (Yes I know you can't believe everything you see on TV). On the show, there were 3 seperate instances where the dog alerted on the bag after the handler directed the dog to it several times. In each of the 3 instances, a thouough search of the bag turned up nothing, and the traveler was allowed to enter the country.

    The dog was broght in because the Immigration Agent suspected something was wrong. Several bags were lined up, with only one being the suspect bag. It appeared that the handler enticed the dog to alert on a particular bag by slapping it differently than the others, and bringing the dog back to it when it did not alert the first time..
    Last edited by Bert Gamble; 06-01-2013, 3:18 PM.
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    Bert Gamble
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 3230

    I don't have a link. I think it is called Border Security. It is some kind of reality show. I can't even tell you what channel it is on. I am in Angola, and it was on one of the channels here.
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    • #3
      Blademan21
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2007
      • 1941

      A false hit happened to my Grandson. He had a bag of "colon cleanser" beef jerky in his back pack. My grandson told his buddy "watch the dog hit on my backpack". His buddy said I bet you $10 he won't. Bingo the dog hit,grandson's bag was searched,his person was searched,nothing was found.
      I understand the school uses a contract company for these searches. That was per the Sheriff's Dept. So yes there can be a false hit by a drug dog thats not properly trained.
      That beef jerky is crazy hot. I had a small piece coming back from Front Sight this past March

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      • #4
        Sleighter
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 3624

        Sounds a lot like the horse that could do math. If you haven't heard about it, you should read this:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans

        In training an animal to "alert" it's important that the training is specifically for the desired find and not for the handlers actions. Animals pick up on subtleties in body language that people would rarely if ever catch.
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        • #5
          Bert Gamble
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          • Mar 2011
          • 3230

          Um... Kind of I guess.
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          • #6
            Bert Gamble
            Veteran Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 3230

            Originally posted by Squirrel15
            Alright, what else were you looking for? I tried to hit on everything, trying to end the thread before it turns into cops are just trying to get everyone in trouble
            It is good enough. I am beginning to understand the need to end it.
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            • #7
              Falconis
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 1688

              Originally posted by Bert Gamble
              I don't have a link. I think it is called Border Security. It is some kind of reality show. I can't even tell you what channel it is on. I am in Angola, and it was on one of the channels here.
              damn editing

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              • #8
                Invisible_Dave
                Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 269

                Also not all false hits are false. Just because the dog hit and nothing was found doesn't mean the substance wasn't there recently.
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                • #9
                  Bainter1212
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Feb 2013
                  • 5936

                  Just to jump in....that's what I was thinking too. Maybe somebody had a bag of pot or something in their bag and removed it at some time. Thinking that there would probably be detectable odors for quite some time after.

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                  • #10
                    oddjob
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2399

                    Were they searching for drugs or was it a "fruits and vegetable" dog?

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                    • #11
                      CBR_rider
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 2737

                      Originally posted by Invisible_Dave
                      Also not all false hits are false. Just because the dog hit and nothing was found doesn't mean the substance wasn't there recently.
                      Absolutely correct. When tracking people, the dog doesn't start off by finding where the human IS but rather where they WERE. The problem with bags/containers is of course that if there is no contraband there at the time the dog hits it may be impossible to determine if/when the contraband was ever there.
                      Originally posted by bwiese
                      [BTW, I have no problem seeing DEA Agents and drug cops hanging from ropes, but that's a separate political issue.]
                      Stay classy, CGF and Calguns.

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                      • #12
                        tyrist
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2007
                        • 4564

                        All of our narcotics dogs are tested and certified for court purposes.

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                        • #13
                          Librarian
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                          • Oct 2005
                          • 44680

                          Originally posted by Squirrel15
                          Alright, if you think of a different way to ask what you're trying to figure out, feel free to pm me, been training police dogs nearly my entire life.
                          Originally posted by tyrist
                          All of our narcotics dogs are tested and certified for court purposes.
                          That would seem to suggest that some information is available, if one has the need; would that be similar to, say, calibrating radar guns and the documentation of proper training?
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                            CBR_rider
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 2737

                            Originally posted by Librarian
                            That would seem to suggest that some information is available, if one has the need; would that be similar to, say, calibrating radar guns and the documentation of proper training?
                            To an extent, yes. All agencies will have records of training completed by the handler/K9 at minimum. On a related note to see how this plays out in court (or at least how the Supreme Court views it), see Florida v. Harris from this year.
                            Originally posted by bwiese
                            [BTW, I have no problem seeing DEA Agents and drug cops hanging from ropes, but that's a separate political issue.]
                            Stay classy, CGF and Calguns.

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                            • #15
                              NuGunner
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 705

                              Originally posted by Invisible_Dave
                              Also not all false hits are false. Just because the dog hit and nothing was found doesn't mean the substance wasn't there recently.
                              I'm surprised no one else mentioned this. This has happened to me when I stopped a guy who lived out of a known dope house. Guy wasn't dirty that day but dog went nuts all over his laundry in the trunk.

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