Active Shooter Training scenario from Oregon

[CBR_rider]

I just read this article from The Oregonian about an active shooter drill a school put on for its teachers (unannounced, I might add). The last quote of this article really caught my eye: "We are tender-hearted people who give hugs all day. We don't think like that." Hopefully the educators in this article will now have a whole new outlook on what it takes to actually protect our children.

Anyone's agency here in CA putting these types of drills on for local school districts? Since Sandy Hook my agency has assisted a little bit in drafting plans for schools, assisted in getting campus maps to all local agencies, and I know local school resource officers have been getting trained/equipped with rifles. I am unfortunately not aware of any local schools actually running these types of scenarios, though.

[RedVines]

a little off topic, but an unannounced active shooter simulation with blanks just sounds like a VERY BAD idea.

[mej16489]

a little off topic, but an unannounced active shooter simulation with blanks just sounds like a VERY BAD idea.

Yes! Seriously bad. Oregon law is very similar to CA law in this regard; Licensed concealed carry is perfectly legal on school grounds....

[CBR_rider]

Okay literal folks, I didn't mean to imply that unannounced shooting drills were the best option. However, I think realistic training drills are great for all involved and am still wondering if anyone has been involved in them recently?

[mej16489]

Okay literal folks, I didn't mean to imply that unannounced shooting drills were the best option. However, I think realistic training drills are great for all involved and am still wondering if anyone has been involved in them recently?

I was simply decrying the stupidity of that specific scenario, not that you were endorsing that method.

I agree, realistic training drills are an awesome tool, but personally I'm not so sure that they should involve the actual children...maybe ask the children's parents to act as stand-in's for the training.

...But we all know how many parent's would actually show up...

[CBR_rider]

I think that would be an even more awesome idea in some cases, bring parents as stand-ins for more "actors." If a community (school, parents, law enforcement, EMS/Fire, etc) is unprepared for such a situation despite their claims of readiness to the contrary (which many probably aren't actually prepared); the parents need to see first hand just how bad things will be. Maybe they could have some kind of mass debriefing with all involved (including parents)and after working on any recommendations do a similar drill a few months later. I know these types of things aren't cheap (and in an era of heavily eroded budgets..), but if our children are truly as precious as we are regularly told I think they would be worth the time and effort.

[RedVines]

Okay literal folks, I didn't mean to imply that unannounced shooting drills were the best option. However, I think realistic training drills are great for all involved and am still wondering if anyone has been involved in them recently?

I was also referring specifically to the Oregon example, not against your suggestion. I know there are courses out there that officers can attend on their own dime and time. As far as a large training exercise a la Urban Shield, I don't see that happening with the political climate in my jurisdiction.

[SMarquez]

L.A. Sheriffs and Fire did a multi-agency drill earlier this year Claremont College. It was a big full on active shooter drill with all the blanks and flash bangs and SWAT guys free roping and students laid out in make-up. It was interesting to be behind the LEOS going room to room triaging and moving people while the shooter was still at large.

[rolncode3]

Okay literal folks, I didn't mean to imply that unannounced shooting drills were the best option. However, I think realistic training drills are great for all involved and am still wondering if anyone has been involved in them recently?

My agency did not participate, but Sac Sheriff and Rancho Cordova PD (contract city) have run these before. I recall one that was at a local high school. They bring SWAT out to work with patrol on active shooter response. From what I heard they had volunteers, though I don't know what role they take. I think SWAT also acts as bad guys.

[FanTactical]

OT but I gotta say, arming teachers is just a BAD idea all the way around. The School District assumes a huge liability for what will almost certainly be very poor results. Teachers need to stick to teaching and leave security to professionals.

[blakdawg]

I hope the people responsible for the Oregon "training" will soon be running an active employment search drill. That was incredibly irresponsible and they're lucky nobody was injured or killed.

[CBR_rider]

Interestingly enough I had a conversation the other day with some local fire crews; they stated that something like this is currently being planned by their department. Hopefully the stars align and this thing comes about. I would volunteer on my days off to be able to help put something like this on...

[SonofWWIIDI]

Yes! Seriously bad. Oregon law is very similar to CA law in this regard; Licensed concealed carry is perfectly legal on school grounds....

I didn't realize that concealed carry on school grounds was legal here in kommiefornia.

[BigStiCK]

OT but I gotta say, arming teachers is just a BAD idea all the way around. The School District assumes a huge liability for what will almost certainly be very poor results. Teachers need to stick to teaching and leave security to professionals.

Yes, I gotta agree that its better to have a completely "Gun-Free" zone where everyone will be perfectly safe.


God knows Liability > Lives.

-Stick

[rolncode3]

Interestingly enough I had a conversation the other day with some local fire crews; they stated that something like this is currently being planned by their department. Hopefully the stars align and this thing comes about. I would volunteer on my days off to be able to help put something like this on...

The Fire Dept is running an active shooter scenario? Or a mass casualty scenario?