Retired LEO carrying concealed

[sodsqad]

My father in law is a retired police officer from the So Ca. area. He retired somewhere around 1976. He claims he can carry concealed since he is a retired police officer and he does carry concealed. He claims he has a permit that never has to be updated, etc. From what I have read and researched is that this is not correct. Arguing with my father in law is like arguing with a mountain lion. My father in law is not computer savvy and does not keep up with the ever changing laws. Can anyone shed some light on this matter?

[FLIGHT762]

With my agency, as long as your retired I D card is endorsed for CCW, you are not required for qualify for in state carry. To carry in all States under LEOSA, retirees must qualify annually and have some type of certification with you.

I know some agencies require a 5 year renewal/qualification for in State carry.

I qualify annually to be certified for all 50 State carry.

[003]

The internet is a wonderful resource. Begin your research below.

Perhaps you need to apologize to your father-in-law

This is a direct cut and paste from the current California Penal Code.

25450. As provided in this article, Section 25400 does not apply
to, or affect, any of the following:

(a) Any peace officer, listed in Section 830.1 or 830.2, or
subdivision (a) of Section 830.33, whether active or honorably
retired.
(b) Any other duly appointed peace officer.
(c) Any honorably retired peace officer listed in subdivision (c) of Section 830.5.
(d) Any other honorably retired peace officer who during the
course and scope of employment as a peace officer was authorized to,
and did, carry a firearm.
(e) Any full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California.
(f) Any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while the person is actually
engaged in assisting that officer.



25455. (a) Any peace officer described in Section 25450 who has
been honorably retired shall be issued an identification certificate
by the law enforcement agency from which the officer retired.
(b) The issuing agency may charge a fee necessary to cover any
reasonable expenses incurred by the agency in issuing certificates
pursuant to this article.
(c) Any officer, except an officer listed in Section 830.1 or
830.2, subdivision (a) of Section 830.33, or subdivision (c) of
Section 830.5 who retired prior to January 1, 1981, shall have an
endorsement on the identification certificate stating that the
issuing agency approves the officer's carrying of a concealed
firearm.
(d) An honorably retired peace officer listed in Section 830.1 or
830.2, subdivision (a) of Section 830.33, or subdivision (c) of
Section 830.5 who retired prior to January 1, 1981, shall not be
required to obtain an endorsement from the issuing agency to carry a
concealed firearm.

25460. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), no endorsement or
renewal endorsement issued pursuant to Section 25465 shall be
effective unless it is in the format set forth in subdivision (c).
(b) Any peace officer listed in subdivision (f) of Section 830.2
or in subdivision (c) of Section 830.5, who retired between January
2, 1981, and on or before December 31, 1988, and who is authorized to
carry a concealed firearm pursuant to this article, shall not be
required to have an endorsement in the format set forth in
subdivision (c) until the time of the issuance, on or after January
1, 1989, of a renewal endorsement pursuant to Section 25465.
(c) A certificate issued pursuant to Section 25455 for any person
who is not listed in Section 830.1 or 830.2, subdivision (a) of
Section 830.33, or subdivision (c) of Section 830.5, or for any
person retiring after January 1, 1981, shall be in the following
format: it shall be on a 2x3 inch card, bear the photograph of the
retiree, include the retiree's name, date of birth, the date that the
retiree retired, and the name and address of the agency from which
the retiree retired, and have stamped on it the endorsement "CCW
Approved" and the date the endorsement is to be renewed.

[Ron-Solo]

If he wants to carry out of state, he will need to qualify annually to comply with LEOSA.

His Department credential, since he retired in 1976, his Department credential doesn't expire and is valid anywhere in the state.

Glad he's still around so many years after retirement. He retired two years before I started, and I did 32 years before retiring.

[oldmotor]

Unless his Dept. revoked his ability to carry in state, then he is good to go.

[AdiosKali]

Arguing with my father in law is like arguing with a mountain lion. My father in law is not computer savvy and does not keep up with the ever changing laws. Can anyone shed some light on this matter?

He is not computer savvy?

Arguing with a Mountain Lion?

Looks like some deeper issues here... Contact Dr. Phil ASAP!

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

My father in law is a retired police officer from the So Ca. area. He retired somewhere around 1976. He claims he can carry concealed since he is a retired police officer and he does carry concealed. He claims he has a permit that never has to be updated, etc. From what I have read and researched is that this is not correct. Arguing with my father in law is like arguing with a mountain lion. My father in law is not computer savvy and does not keep up with the ever changing laws. Can anyone shed some light on this matter?

You might do a better job on your own research before calling your father-in-law out and go apologize to him. After that, you can stop calling the kettle black as it doesn't take much "computer savvy" to find the relevant code.

[sodsqad]

Thank you all for the answers. My post was taken out of text. We do not argue. We were both confused on the wording of the law so I posted it here to go right to the source. Thanks again.