80% ar lowers

[Ron-Solo]

Boy, has this gotten off topic. You guys are reaching for straws on the exceptions, such as AWs, rather than the OP's question.

[FORD4LIFE]

Here's a good %80 FAQ

http://aresarmor.com/store/FAQ

and they also have a link straight to the ATF

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html

[ke6guj]

I made a typo in my post and put RAWS instead of just AW's. Is an unregistered AW (long gun) a felony? I am sure you know the answer to that. What I was referencing is that now long guns will have the same type of registration as handguns in 2014 in Cali. When you buy new DROS will register that Remington 700 in your name now with DOJ and it will turn up under your name if it is checked in a firearms database query. That did not happen before 2014 for that Rem 700.

no arguments there regarding URAWs and that they will start registering transfers starting in 2014. But we haven't been talking about illegal guns here, just legal non-AW, non-NFA Title I firearms. And if they check that database and your otherwise legally-possessed 700 that doesn't come up registered to you is not a crime.

So, now that California is requiring new purchases and private party long gun transactions to include registration do you think they will try and apply it to rifles that you already have in your possession now that are not registered? They did it 13 years ago with AW's. I would bet they try and do it also with existing owed rifles.

they never did it with pistols so why would they do it for non-AW rifles?

Now here is the allure of the 80% because there is no DROS or record of anything really.

for some, perhaps, but not all of us. some of us build our own stuff because we can't easily purchase what we want, in the config we want. So, we legally build it ourselves. DROS or not, it doesn't matter to me.

So if they ultimately require all long guns (except antiques) to be registered at some point just like handguns are required to be now what happens with your 80% build that is nice and complete now? I am speculating that it now will require some type of identifying markings and subsequent registration to be legal. Otherwise it just sits in your safe right?

but as I said before, ALL handguns aren't required to be registered, so why would ALL long guns be registered? my 80% build rifles will come out and play just like my unregistered 80% build handguns come out and play, completely legal.


Also, not really understanding some of your post. None of this was about open carry laws or lawful transportation of unloaded weapons but more about whether or not registration was required or not.[/quote]I was replying to this statement,

You are wrong. Existing laws relate primarily to handguns and RAWS here in Cali and basically enhance and turn a misdemeanor charge into a felony if the pistol is not registered

since you stated you mispoke and did not mean to say RAW, I'll strike it and go over what is left. you said that a misdemeanor charge would turn into a felony if it wasn't registered. where did the misdemeanor charge come from? the illegal carrying of the handgun? if so, then yes, if that handgun wasn't registered to you, then it escalates to a felony. But that is just an enhancement to another crime. The non-registration of the handgun did not start the ball rolling, the illegal carrying of it did.

I mentioned open carry of long guns, since I was trying to see where you were getting that unregistered long guns would be a felony like unlicensed handguns (and that only occurs when dealing with illegal carry).

If I loan you my .45 registered in my name and you are enroute to the range and get contacted well that is not a crime because it is not registered to you. There are sections that specifically address legal reasons such as this. Now if you get caught with my loaded 45 in your car and/or on your person you will be charged with appropriate sections which will also include an enhancement section for possession an unregistered firearm.

exactly. And even if that handgun was mine, that you sold it to me in an unpapered transfer, that I forgot to register it when I moved into CA, or any other number of methods of acquisition, the mere possession of that unloaded handgun locked in my trunk is still not a crime. I'll say it again, an unregistered handgun (or long gun after 2014) is not a crime in itself.

[lavey29]

Did I not state previously that non registered could be used to enhance a criminal section relating to handguns? Yes it involves an illegal gun crime like you mentioned hence the word "enhance".

Yes, we have gotten off track here, sorry OP.